If you can't currently learn something from the item, you'll get the message;

There is nothing left to invent and you cannot be convinced otherwise.

You may still have recipes to learn but require points in certain specializations.

For example, to get the recipes for profession gear, you need to unlock the Profession Gear specialization under Engineered Equipment, then your Comprehensibly Organized Ideas will give new recipes.

評論來自 Qoko

If you want to max your 一堆生鏽廢料 yield, keep at least one invention unlearned! (so anything marked 'Invention' in the Engineering window). This includes prototypes and those learned from 全面整理的點子. For details, see the spoiler tag.

Once you learn all inventions, they no longer drop from 搜刮廢料. This sort of makes sense, but 拆解發明 also gives about 15 一堆生鏽廢料 on average so you lose out on a lot of scrap (which in turn give parts to use or sell). 拆解發明 takes exactly two minutes a stack at Crafting Speed 75%, so in the long run this is definitely worth it. 搜刮廢料 will give some leftover scrap (and notes in case you still miss patterns from 全面整理的點子) instead of inventions but this pales in comparison to the thousands you get from disassembling.

I can now first hand confirm this: wanting to max out my knowledge from First Crafts the only pattern I'm now missing is 有瑕疵的逃生艙: 發明 and 搜刮廢料 give me 原型：瑕疵的逃生艙 consistently. If you go down to just one invention just bank it to prevent learning it by accident. Every other invention will now be 無法辨識的原型 that you can 拆解發明 at will.

I'm not sure if this effective nerf is intended but it seems to be, considering the 'leftover' from scouring after you learn all inventions.

評論來自 lexmosti

How many schematics we can learn by using this item?

評論來自 selerik

The War Within Engineering - Discovery Mechanics (A great idea, or scrap it?)
Engineers can learn 75 new recipes as of The War Within's launch, 50 of which are gated behind Discovery mechanics.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Works

Engineers get started with 搜刮廢料, taught by their profession trainer.
搜刮廢料 will quickly allow the engineer to discover the profession's other essential skills, standard parts, and be a rare source of prototypes .
They will quickly learn 發明, which is a guaranteed* prototype each day. (*While supplies last)

Prototypes are single-use versions of engineer recipes which teach that recipe when used.

IMPORTANT: Once an Engineer learns the recipe, they will never receive the prototype version again.

拆解發明 can be used on unwanted or excess prototypes (including 無法辨識的原型), generating up to 10 一堆生鏽廢料 and 倉促潦草的筆記.
倉促潦草的筆記 create 全面整理的點子, which can only be used to learn Engineering recipes. Neither item has any vendor value or other uses.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Doesn't Work

The discovery flavor and mechanics are built around 3 abilities: 搜刮廢料, 發明, and 拆解發明.
If an engineer learns all 14 recipes linked to prototypes, they will never receive a prototype again.
Instead of 無法辨識的原型, they directly receive 倉促潦草的筆記.

What are the impacts of losing the prototype mechanic?

拆解發明 ceases to function.
After the initial discovery/skill-up phase, 發明 also ceases to have any function.
Since prototypes (recyclable) are replaced with 倉促潦草的筆記 (not recyclable), 搜刮廢料 becomes a less efficient source of parts.

How many 全面整理的點子 does an engineer actually need?

28 recipes require 全面整理的點子 to discover them.

How the Engineer allocates their Engineering Knowledge is also important, since three different sub-specialties control access to discoveries..

What about when you have invented everything?
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
When you have discovered the final recipe requiring 全面整理的點子 , you will cease to receive 倉促潦草的筆記 completely.
搜刮廢料 will now have a chance to create the finished version of prototyped recipes, such as the tinker modules and potion bombs.
發明 will have a 100% chance to produce the finished version of one of the prototyped recipes.

Engineering Recipes - Source Breakdown

Discovery - 搜刮廢料: 8
Discovery - 發明 Prototypes: 15
Warning: If you discover all Prototypes, you will no longer be able to use 拆解發明!

Discovery from 全面整理的點子: 42

Note: All invenions that can be Prototyped can also be discovered from 全面整理的點子.
Discovery Requirement - Goggles: 4
Discovery Requirement - Profession Gear: 6
Discovery Requirement - Bracers: 4

Profession Trainer: 8
Vendors: 9
Quest Rewards: 1
Total Recipes: 75

評論來自 Hhalle567

Awesome post selerik, thank you!

Here are the 14 Prototypes, it's okay to learn all but one of them (you pick):

3 Explosives:

Potion Bomb of Power
Potion Bomb of Recovery
Potion Bomb of Speed

2 Tinkers:

Earthen Delivery Drill
Heartseeking Health Injector

and 9 Devices:

Barrel of Fireworks
Defective Escape Pod
Filmless Camera
Wormhole Generator: Khaz Algar
Convincingly Realistic Jumper Cables
Irresistible Red Button
Pausing Pylon
Algari Repair Bot 11O
Portable Profession Possibility Projector

Box o' Booms, Stonebound Lantern, and Crowd Pummeler 2-30 apparently do not have a chance of showing up as a "Prototype: "

評論來自 Eillesthis

一堆生鏽廢料 > 搜刮廢料, or 發明 (better) > Prototypes you can use to learn, or... > 拆解發明 > more scrap and 倉促潦草的筆記 > 全面整理的點子 > pick one of three schematics to learn

There are 14 prototypes, plus the 無法辨識的原型 which can be turned into one of the fourteen. Once you've learned all 14, Scour Through Scrap/Invent goes straight to Hastily Scrawled Notes.

評論來自 Chaugernaut

i just noticed today i was getting instead of the soulbound one. those are warbounds so im guessing since i have nothing new to learn its a way to help alts learn recipe faster ?

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使用: 研究你的筆記，選擇要學習的新工程學結構圖。

可供選擇的結構圖會隨著你對工程學的專精程度增加。
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"你不太確定這些廢料原本是打算描繪出什麼。巧妙地重新編排一下應該能激發新的點子。"

最大叠加: 200

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