Not entirley true.. these are great to keep on hand in case your group is not quite up to scratch. I know I have found mine very useful. Sometimes groups have aggro problems, and this gives me a second option to use when fade is still on cooldown. I sure miss the stats from my other trinkets... but stats don't mean much when your dead.

Комментарий от 10554

Well compared to all other Trinkets this one has the highest -threat modifier available. Even Timelaps Shard - The Keepers of Time Exalted Epic Quality Reward, has less threat reduction than this one. I got it on my first ever Vorpil kill and it dropped like 8/9 times I've killed him since then. Being a mage I never use it but its kept in my bags since you'll never know what the future may bring.

Комментарий от sabar

I keep this thing with me all the time. It has massive threat reduction for a trinket. I switch it out if AoE may be needed or a group just isn't too good. Soulshatter is only once every 5 minutes and locks don't have many ways to drop aggro without dying.

Комментарий от 27764

with no threat reduction like Fade, i've found this real useful as a resto druid.

Комментарий от 6571

I'm a full-heal specced shaman and I love this trinket. I don't really believe it's only about 1000 in threat reduction. I've had times where I was pounding out 3 big heals, got aggro from almost untanked mobs, and still this trinket seemed to wipe all my aggro from them.

I needed it more as a joke, but now i really think it's worth the slot.

Комментарий от 37777

I consider this trinket very useful in instances with may pulls composed of more than 3-4 mobs, like Shattered Halls.
In these cases (especially if you are on heroic), you'll have a hard time keeping the tank alive without pulling aggro and since threat generated by heals is divided by the number of mobs (a 6000hp heal is considered 500threat on each mob on a 6 mobs pull, for example) this kind of trinket will come in handy and save your skin plenty of times :D

Комментарий от 63835

As a shadow priest, fade alone does not do the job. In fights like voidreaver where keeping under the tanks is the main objective any aggro reduction possible is helpful. This is still a decent trinket for a late game raider with high threat.

Комментарий от 69783

Just to clear this up, Fade DOES NOT drop agro. It lowers your agro by a tiny amount, and then the threat returns in 10seconds.
Unless the tank(s) pick up to agro within that time, your screwed.

Комментарий от 60430

This can also be a useful trinket to have for an Enhancement Shaman on boss fights - pop it when you are looking like pulling aggro, and you don't need to let up. The loss of the trinket slot is a little painful, but as the cliche goes, dead <class>s do no damage.

Комментарий от orlochavez

Is this trinket indeed unusable for raid bosses? I raid as a ret pally (laugh if you want but I'm a bad sumbish) and - at least until 2.3 - I'm constantly threat capped. Fights like Void Reaver are especially hard for me and I was just about to start farming for this. If this doesn't work, is there an alternative? Timelapse Shard perhaps? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Комментарий от wsuhoey

This item does NOT share the same cooldown as Hypnotist's Watch. https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=25786. Thus, you can use both at same time.

Комментарий от bonevader

I just responded to a post on the wowhead forums where somebody asked what the best tanking pet was. I posted the following relaying my turtle experiences. You may find this interesting.

I don't know the definitive answer to this question but i'd like to relay my turtle experiences here.

With maxed natural armor, and my toon wearing mostly mail, my turtle has 14143 armor at 70 which amounts to 57.26% dmg reduction. On top of this he has shell shield which reduces dmg taken by 50%. It has a 3 min. cooldown unfortunately. It should come as no surprise then that there is no pet that can take more of a beating than a turtle. This has been stated previously.

The problem is that unlike owls and gorillas they have no aoe attacks and have trouble holding agro of large mobs.

The only way however to get the best of both worlds is to use the turtle. There's nothing you can do to allow gorillas and owls to take more of a beating, but there are a number of ways to make your turtle better at controlling agro.

These include:
Intimidation (BM)
rotating growl around to different targets
Misdirection once you get it

Also if you are alone fighting mobs with your turtle and you pull agro, there are some things you can do to reduce your agro.
These include:
feign death
Trinkets like The hypnotist's watch, The jewel of charismatic mystique, and the Timelapse shard which cast basically cower and reduce your agro.
There's a cloak enchant that reduces your agro from all attacks by 2%

You're probably thinking why would I want to use these trinkets and give up my bloodlust brooch.

These trinkets are used for killing large mobs quickly and that's it.
If you're trying to farm obsidian war beads or motes of water in nagrand for example, it's faster to use volley and the super explodey trap on large mobs rather than killing things one at a time, since their damage scales linearly with the number of enemies they're hitting. (double the number of enemies = double the damage etc.) There's a very real benefit to using these but hunter's generally don't because because they pull agro off their pet, which before 2.3 was an even bigger problem because of the dead zone. When this happens you use the trinkets. In a way it's like having three feign deaths instead of one.

On a slightly different note, there are enemies that hit too hard for you to solo even with a turtle. That's where cower comes in. To my knowledge this is the only situation where cower would be useful.
Instead of sending in your pet and praying he lives you can send in your pet and before he's going to die, you pull the agro off of him and kite while you heal your pet and it continues to do dmg, then you have the pet pick him up again. and repeat. To get agro from your pet you can use distracting shot to help and your pet can use cower. Also turn growl off and on at the appropriate times.

My turtle's name is pizzaface. and just for laughs in shatt i frequently turn on bestial wrath and shell shield, big red sparkling turtle. hilarious.

Hope this helps you to die less.
-Bonevader.

Комментарий от Devinicus

I'm just gonna lob this out there...

For classes like druids, shaman (especially elemental/resto who have innate threat issues), DPS warriors (especially those jerkwad arms warriors who decide they like PvE), this trinket is a MUST to have in your bag just to carry it about for those times you find yourself having threat issues. You shouldn't be wearing it all the time in instances, as you won't always need it, but if you're willing to give up a little bit in the way of stats for staying alive, tanks and healers will love you for wearing this thing when needed.

Комментарий от 21517

As a holy priest, this trinket is highly valuable in certain less-than-stellar pug instance runs. Whenever you have a tank that can't hold aggro, just throw this in and you have something to save you rear between Fade cooldowns.

Комментарий от 131041

useful on my boomkin when getting many crits in a row

Комментарий от Allakhazam

For the amount of threat it drops vs its cooldown, this trinket is a complete waste of a trinket slot. If blizzard wanted to make a threat reducing trinket they should have made this one similar to the Fetish of the Sand Reaver.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Tested this out and it's an instant agro reducing shot with a 5 minute cooldown. It did seem like I could go through a couple of large heals, hit it, and it didn’t seem like I was getting agro like I would have without it. Still not sure if it’s worth giving up a trinket slot unless it’s an encounter where I need to be very worried about agro.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Anyone have any ideas how much this reduces aggro? Would be nice to have some idea to know it its worth switching out another trinket?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This trinket is awesome for a Shaman (or any class without an aggro dump), dropped on a guild run and the whole group unanimously decided it was mine. I only swap it in when I am instancing and it works a treat, I can come straight in with full dps and not have to worry about pulling aggro. Without it I die at least 4 times as often. Definitely a keeper.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

According to Thottbot, it reduces threat by 1075. Which is absolutely nothing. So unless thottbot's wrong, don't waste your time.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Yea Thott seems to be right, i've used it a few times after pulling aggro and it never did enough for me to lose aggro, i had to follow it up with a Soul Shatter. So basically, waste of a trinket slot unless it's changed.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just got this thing, threat reduction it does seems pretty good, at least better than hypnotists watch. The 5 min CD kinda kills it though.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Buff this item please^^

I just got it on my rogue, it's nice..but 5min CD really is a buzzkiller...or maybe buff the treathreduction..?

Overall good, but might not worth the trinkket-slot.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Resto druid.

I question if this thing works at all : \

Click on the use link on the itam and it tells you:

Effect 1
Threat
Value: -1075
Radius: 30 yards

Комментарий от Thottbot

If it was a bit lower you could nuke the boss, hit the trinket and bascailly be at ground zero with your aggro, and then use it again later on in the fight to make sure you dont draw aggro with another nuke. Fights that last over 5 mins you probably wont be to concerned with your aggro, Unless you tank dies.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I don't think this is as bad as everyone thinks. Sure, the cooldown sucks and the threat reduction isn't the greatest but when you are healing and a few mobs are after you this trinket can work a treat.

I have survived many a fight by using this trinket and avoiding blows. It just adds to the many abilities you have to avoid threat when killing trash in an instance. Its not that great on bosses, especially the ones that don't have any adds. I do think that it can be used will for killing trash when you can afford to lose one trinket slot for an extra ability that potentially can save you a lot of health and bother

Комментарий от Thottbot

seperate CD from Hypnotist's Watch.
as of 3/8/07

Комментарий от Thottbot

good to pop this trinket during 5/6 man pull's in shattered halls and whatnot. as a healer we get alot of aggro from those pulls. this trinket is for situational use only tho

Комментарий от Thottbot

how long is the effect?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just wondering if the threat reduction will stay if you swich out trinkets after you use it

Комментарий от Thottbot

As a pally, iunno. Vengence of Illidari is good, but perhaps having a way to discourage all mobs from attacking you is helpful when three or four elites have yet to be sundered by the tank.

Situational trinket? Yes.
Useful? Definitely.

Something you equip INSIDE the instace, until you pop it. OOC switch out of it till it is done cd. No harm, no foul.

There is a use for everything.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I"m copying a comment left on the hypnotist's watch that summarizes all the different -threat gear:

--

Threat: -650

Threat: -720

Here are all of the threat reduction items:

Permanently enchant a cloak to decrease threat caused by the wearer by 2%.

This is not a new enchantment, but it can relevantly be applied to:

Threat: -473

This can be aquired for 25x Sporecap from the Sporegaar Quartermaster in Zangarmarsh. The cooldown is the standard 5 minutes and the threat reduction is small, but it will stack with other items, and is a natural host for the -2% threat enchant.

Threat: -1075

This drops off of Grandmaster Vorpil in Shadow Labyrinth, and as I'm sure most players would rather roll for the shard than loot it should be easy to get. This has the same 5 minute cooldown but reduces 34% more threat than the Jewel of Charismatic Mystique.

Threat: -901

This is an epic purchasable (79g) reward requiring Exalted with Keepers of Time. Seeing as it also has heavy Stamina and Resilience, I am very interested in getting this for all instancing. While the Jewel of Charismatic Mystique reduces about 14% more threat than this per use, this epic trinket is on a mere 2 minute cooldown, the lowest for any item, making it much more effective for repeated use.

Threat: -800

Finally, with Exalted with Sporeggar, you can get the recipe for a threat reducing potion. -800 Threat on a 2 min cooldown has a drawback though, this shares a cooldown with other potions. Unless you're a healer, you probably shouldn't need potions until you get hit in the first place, which this potion offers to help avoid.

Threat: -70 (Aura)

This item reduces threat from the spells and damage you deal during it's 20 second duration. I believe the -70 threat mod may be actually -70% Threat, judging from the fact that the -2% Threat Cloak Enchant - Subtlety also lists a -2 Mod Aura. I'm not sure but seems possible for a 3 min cooldown epic trinket drop off Fankriss. Not sure anyone is going to fight Fankriss again though :). Thanks for MoonWolf for the heads-up on this item.

In closing, these items are great for Heroic mode instances where only the tank should have aggro.

Комментарий от Thottbot

We need some more substantial threat reducers. In raids, I'm pulling way too much threat and idk when this happened 2.2? or 2.3? but FD is not scrubbing aggro clean anymore. You will remain where your at on the list even after FD. Misdirect helps but still I'm getting too high on the aggro list entirely too often.

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