Why Americans can't speak (or write in) English properly.

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Hmm... I don't see how you can say that. Take plot-writing as an example. Some people like a happily ever after ending, some people (Such as me) prefer something dark. So you can't say their is a perfect story, because some like certain aspects of storytelling better than others. The only way you could make a perfect story would be to make it have every possible character, situation, and plot possible, at which point it is no longer one story.
There are no comparatives in your example.

How much someone likes one thing opposed to another is a comparative. Generally, I like dark endings more than I like bright endings. However, that is only me, and others like the opposite, so there is no absolute of a "perfect book".

You're mixing two completely different things.
The first issue is of one person preferring book A and another person preferring book B. You can't compare the two, because both are based in separate subjective systems.
The second issue is of book A being actually better than book B. In order to determine that you'd have to define the art of literature, its end, and how well those two books conform to it. From that analysis, it might be determined that book A is really better than book B; that however doesn't need to affect someone preferring book B.
But one of the needs to make it a perfect book is that everyone would like it. Otherwise it's imperfect.

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Z > Zed

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Speaking of z's, anyone here cross their z's like I do? I picked it up when I was studying some hardcore physics and math in high school (to distinguish it from my 2's).

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But one of the needs to make it a perfect book is that everyone would like it. Otherwise it's imperfect.
There you go injecting relativism into it again.

Do you realize you just essentially said "Something cannot be perfectly objective unless it is subjective"?

Not at all. I see no mention of it being objective, only perfect. Not every piece of writing must be objective to be perfect. I have seen plenty of very interesting books written from a one sided view, sometimes to even show the stupidity of looking at something from one side (Such as Inexcusable by Chris Lynch). I am simply stating that it's not perfection if not everyone likes it. Even if your statement had a lot to do with mine, it goes against you, seeing as I'm arguing that there is not a 'perfect' for everything.

If you're not talking about objective perfection, then your post has nothing to do with me or my argument.

Define objective perfection for me then. Just want to be sure were on the same track. Because my point is that it's impossible for everything to have an absolute perfect, because in most cases it's subjective. Take the basketball player. Maybe someone considers fowling good, but he's perfect at it so he never gets seen by the referee. Also, passing. The closer you get to perfection, the less passing means for you. So it's not linear, because if you're perfect in every aspect you would have no need to pass. So it's a parabola. At low levels, passing would just give it straight to the other team. At higher levels, passing would be a waste of time. Perfection is subjective to the person who views it.

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Speaking of z's, anyone here cross their z's like I do? I picked it up when I was studying some hardcore physics and math in high school (to distinguish it from my 2's).

My handwriting is so terrible if I crossed my Z's it would look like I messed up and crossed it out. I type pretty much everything I do (That the teacher checks. On that topic, I don't see why I have to explain why it works in the terms that a fourth grader would understand if it's just notes for me to understand.)

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Speaking of z's, anyone here cross their z's like I do? I picked it up when I was studying some hardcore physics and math in high school (to distinguish it from my 2's).

Not generally. I do when I'm dealing with a formula or when it sits by itself for any other reason, but I wouldn't cross it as part of a word (eg, zebra).

I'm not assuming anything. It's inherenetly true that scoring a point has the same net effect as blocking the other team's point...that's how basketball works.

Blocking a shot results in the ball being in a random posession (whoever can retrieve it - and presumably, the perfect player will take posession of the ball). Making a shot results in the ball being in the opponent's posession. That's not the same net effect. That's not factoring in the subjective elements of morale and intimidation into the game (leaving out in order to argue with you on objective terms).

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Define objective perfection for me then.

A thing as it exists absolutely.

Blocking a shot results in the ball being in a random posession (whoever can retrieve it - and presumably, the perfect player will take posession of the ball). Making a shot results in the ball being in the opponent's posession. That's not the same net effect. That's not factoring in the subjective elements of morale and intimidation into the game (leaving out in order to argue with you on objective terms).
Nope, because a perfect block always results in your own possession.

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Blocking a shot results in the ball being in a random posession (whoever can retrieve it - and presumably, the perfect player will take posession of the ball). Making a shot results in the ball being in the opponent's posession. That's not the same net effect. That's not factoring in the subjective elements of morale and intimidation into the game (leaving out in order to argue with you on objective terms).
Nope, because a perfect block always results in your own possession.

You continue to demonstrate my point for me. Thanks.

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You continue to demonstrate my point for me. Thanks.

But you see, possession has nothing to do with it. Why? If he didn't block the the point...he's still have gotten the ball. So matter what, he gets the ball. Therefore the only thing that matters is the 2 point gap he prevented.

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