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Сообщение от cipher333

Ideal healer gear?

I was bored so I went through the items trying to get the best (leather) spirit from items (other than perhaps the T10 stuff) and then stacking spell power in the gems/enchants. Enchanting is required, but I had to pick up enchanting anyway (for guild), and you're looking at spending nearly 20k on the rings, but that isn't TOO much of a grind, since most people can make 1k+/day easy.

If you don't want to look at the gear itself:
Average Gear Level: 262.9
Int: 1311
Stam: 1313
Spirit: 1423
SP: 3034
Crit: 561 (12.22%)
Haste: 510 (15.55%)

Like I said, I was bored :P

Сообщение от skribs

1) Use profiler instead of comparison. It's much easier to see.
2) Only 510 haste is NOT ideal. You want 735 if using Celestial Focus and 856 without it.
3) Why go for those rings, when there are better rings offered in ICC?
4) While Spirit stacking is nice, you'd get more from normal/heroic Solace than those you chose. If you want regen trinkets, get the Spark of Hope and Ephemeral Snowflake.
5) You didn't include the crit you get from it, or your effective mana pool. This would have helped if you had used profiler. Also, base stats have a base they start at and can be affected by talents. So 1423 Spi really is a lot more. It's going to be 1636+(base*talents)

Сообщение от cipher333

I know the profiler is far superior to this, but unfortunately it isn't working for me right now (says it's down for maintenance or something).

As for the rings, those were just the first ones that came to mind, as I've never seen the ICC rings (haven't been able to get into an ICC raid yet).

As for the trinkets, I did choose Spark of Hope, I realize it might've been overlooked because of the comparison. The reason Ephemeral Snowflake isn't on the list is because it didn't come up in my search (I believe I searched Spirit>0).

The haste is just me being uneducated, I suppose, and the rest is partially because of the profiler being down, partially forgetfulness. I'll edit in the crit now, and when the profiler is back up I'll change the link as well.

Сообщение от skribs

Oh ok, if its down understandable. The rings you could have found by searching for SP rings that have an ilvl > 251 or 264. For trinkets, never search for a specific stat, as trinkets often have 1 stat + 1 proc/stack/use effect, and the effect will never show up on the stat for searching. It's almost always the effect which defines a trinket, as well. I know which trinkets you picked, but I was suggesting 2 very powerful combinations.

If you're not quite sure on which stats you need, or how much you need of them, check out the stickies here or look up the class mechanics on ElitistJerks. Those provide great information for you.

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Сообщение от skribs

Eh, as a Paladin main, I prefer the Tears of the Vanquished > DMC:G (Int) > Talisman > Solaces.
Yes, the 200's are the BiS.

Of course, the stuff you said about druids is right. Although while going for pure regen might be considered a bad thing, the way gear works I'd go spirit+haste to haste cap and then spirit+crit if I could. Basically considering spirit > crit, so I might as well maximize spirit on gear if it's one of 2 choices.

Сообщение от MegaVolt

Although while going for pure regen might be considered a bad thing, the way gear works I'd go spirit+haste to haste cap and then spirit+crit if I could. Basically considering spirit > crit, so I might as well maximize spirit on gear if it's one of 2 choices.

This is the way to go. Int, sta and SP will be on the gear naturally, there is no way to avoid it. Out of the optional stats we have haste > spirit > mp5 >>> crit >= hit. Yes, that's how useless crit is.
The thing is you will never reach the haste cap anyway. If you get above 735 haste it is more beneficial to spec out of CF than taking crit pieces. If you get to 856 haste you just swap your orange SP/haste gems (those should be sitting in pretty much every yellow socket if you are not haste capped yet) for pure red SP ones.
As far as I know even in BiS ilvl 277 gear it is impossible to get over 856 haste without gems (assuming Trauma and 4t10 with the chest as off piece) so it doesn't really matter what the next best stat would be.

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Сообщение от MegaVolt

This is the way to go. Int, sta and SP will be on the gear naturally, there is no way to avoid it.

Which is true of normal gear. But not true of trinkets.

Right, I forgot to mention that. Trinkets of course have different rules.
Current BiS is Althors without a doubt and then, depending on how much you need mana regeneration, either Dragon Soul (no regen), Lunar Dust (trade 20 SP for about 100 mp5, very good) or Solance (my personal favorite, trade another 10 SP for roughly 50 mp5).

I don't quite agree to the SP > everything statement. Mana regeneration is important and a Druid will run out of mana in long fights. A pure 5x1 rotation at the haste cap is impossible to maintain and it only gets worse if you have to spot heal since those spells eat even more mana per second. Sacrificing some spellpower to gain massive mana regeneration (e.g. taking Solace over Dragon Soul or gemming the mana restore meta over the spellpower one) is often worth it.

Сообщение от skribs

On druid trinkets - my style has always been to gear for more regen and then overheal more. It works great with the druid and paladin styles of healing, which are what I mainly play.

Okay, that is a wierd way to play a Paladin. I never use DP, as it's more gimp than it's worth (50% MSing yourself, basically, for 25% of the fight). Also, that math failed to include Replenishment, Seal of Wisdom, or any other mana-based regen (e.g. Revitalize, Mana Tide, Hymn of Hope, Rapture) which may be on you at the time.

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t84922-holy_paladin_compendium_3_3_a/#Trinkets

I'll trust an EJ sort based off Rawr before I trust the napkin math of a standard wowhead user.

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Сообщение от skribs

Good thing I play multiple healers and go to all 4 classes pages. Now that I actually look at it, I should have known with heroic solace being farther down. Great, now I have to bring my pally to ToC again instead of bringing an alt.

I also tend to have to go for Regen because on my realm I'm carrying the other healers. We're currently 237/241 in terms of progression (as a realm) and there is only one healer who's been able to outperform my druid (another druid) until patch 3.3 hit and my druid is falling behind in gear (I was behind back then as well, but now I'm farther behind). So normal mode healing with 2 good healers, 1-2 okay healers, and 1-3 horrible healers still requires the good players to pump out large numbers. On my paladin, nobody outperforms me. I need the regen because I'm requiring some of those burst heals via nourish/RG to keep the raid up.

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Сообщение от MegaVolt

Agreed, Solace is as far as I'd go with trading SP for regen. Spark of Hope and similar are not an option.
I still keep the duck in my bag though. If more regen is ever needed swapping the idol instead of the trinket is probably the best thing to do. That being said I didn't need it since ICC release, not even for the Lich King.

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