Equal rights for picked up puggers

Сообщение от trademen

This is just a little something that happened to a friend of mine last night. He was running Heroic UP last night with his guild. Around three quarters of the way though some of their dps had to go, so they lock summoned some puggers in. There was apparently a fury warrior they joined just before the King Ymiron and when Red Sword of Courage dropped the guildies would not let the warrior roll on it because there were already 2 tanks in the guild who needed to roll on it. The warrior went nutzo and started swearing everyone off and went around badmouthing their guild for the next 15 minutes in trade chat.

So, do you think this is justified? Or should they of let the warrior roll on it?

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Сообщение от trademen

If one of the tanks that needed the sword was in the group, then the fury warrior is just a whiner. Mainspec over offspec.

If they gave it to a guildy retadin or fury warrior for when they would be tanking, that's less right, but doesn't merit the fury warr's extreme reaction.

If they sharded it and laughed because guildies who weren't in the run needed it, that's funny.

actually, both of the tanks that needed it were dpsing that run. They were both fairly new to 80 and one of the guilds better geared tanks was MTing.

Сообщение от NeoBlackheart

The thing with this is. yes its wrong but if it was 4 guildies and a pug they had already said who should get it before the run started so that person probly got it without them even caring.

Сообщение от L33tsauce

He's a fury warrior, so he shouldn't be rolling on a tanking sword. Thus, completely unjustified.
Now, had it been a DPS sword, he'd be completely justified.

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Сообщение от Billa

If one of the tanks that needed the sword was in the group, then the fury warrior is just a whiner. Mainspec over offspec.

If they gave it to a guildy retadin or fury warrior for when they would be tanking, that's less right, but doesn't merit the fury warr's extreme reaction.

If they sharded it and laughed because guildies who weren't in the run needed it, that's sad since the warrior could have gotten it for off spec.
Fix'd.
I agree with the rest.

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Сообщение от Thundurmaul

If not getting an imaginary sword for his imaginary friend sent him into a 15 minute temper tantrum in front of the whole server I tend to think he has slightly larger problems then not getting his phat lewtz.

You mean that if you weren't paid with a silly little piece of paper from your job of inputting numbers into spreadsheets, you wouldn't be upset?

Just because things aren't tangible doesn't mean they aren't worth anything. If Blizzard deleted your account, you aren't losing anything, those are just pixels. Pixels that you put time and effort into aquiring, but pixels nonetheless.

Money is just paper, objects are just strings of molecules.

Nothing is anything, that doesn't mean it isn't important to people.

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Сообщение от blademeld

If the current tank did not need the sword.. then everyone who can use it offspec should have equal /roll at it.

Best summary here.

Сообщение от Mustangman

I agree that the guild required it, but as your guild DPS dropped the guild effectivley hired a mecenary to complete the run with you.

Therefore, to diffuse the situation you should have used guild funds to buy the Fury out for his time and effort in assisting with the boss...25-50g or so would have helped or have the individual who won the sword pay for the guys run.

Сообщение от Aldones

It's a Heroic and unless that's the stage of end-game content your guild is in, I don't see why there should be a "guild first" rule to heroics.

If a guild pugs someone into a raid, the drops become substancially better and "guild first" rules are desgined for the guild's bennifite and for members to actually have a reason to stay in a guild. Why stay when puggers are given the same bennifites as you? With that said, it's only fair for the pugger to understand that this rule will be in place. The guild has no right to say "guild first" after a loot has been dropped.

In a raid setting, the guild needs to say "guild first" before any pugger enters the actual raid, and should still do this for Heroics if you still plan on utilizing this rule.

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Сообщение от Kailhun

Wow doesn't have any rules regarding loot. There are only the rules made up by players and this differs per player. I don't agree with a lot of these unwritten rules for looting which people seem to regard as written in stone.
It's not a problem for me because I don't pug.

IMO if you want something you roll for it, unless it is agreed beforehand that certain rules apply. That way everyone knows what the rules are and can decide whether or not to join the pug (what it became in this case). Perhaps if the warrior had known the rules beforehand he would not have wasted his time with this run.

In this case the guildies in the pug had decided there were certain rules. They had not told the warrior beforehand. So the guildy-rules did not apply to him. He had every right to roll on whatever he wanted. (IMO)

Сообщение от Porcell

Not loot related, but PuG related.

Had a guy looking for "good DPS" in trade. I get invited, we are all set to go and we all head down to UP. While we are flying down there the Tank says he has to go check on one of his mods, and logs off.

We wait for 10 minutes and he doesn't show up. One of the DPS drops and goes to bed, so the leader heads back to Dalaran to look for another tank. He asks if I'll stay and be patient, so I say sure and sit at the instance waiting. He invites a mage to the group.

45 minutes go by. I'm just sitting on my couch watching the monitor and talking to my roommate. I get up periodically to answer a question in party chat. Finally the leader comes back and says "It looks like it is turning into a guild run." "I can't find any tanks." He invites a ret paladin from his guild. He removes the mage from the group, then me from the group.

I whisper to him to ask what's going on. Whisper if he's found a tank. He ignores me.

I wait by the summoning stone at UP and he finally shows back up, summons in some people from his guild, and goes into UP.

I'm pretty ticked off and start whispering to him about how weak that is, that I waited around for him and he just kicks me, etc etc. He finally tells me to eff off and ignores me.

Pretty a-hole move. I'm in one of the top guilds on the server, and he just made his guild look terrible. I sit around for 45 minutes and that's how he acts?

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