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Comentado por Libra

any idea how much blacksmithing you need to get this quest?

Comentado por darla

For learn "Hammesmith" u must speak with npc

Comentado por 40108

Head to Strat and to the bastion of Scarlet Crusaders. Once inside you have to fight through a couple halls of healers, melee and mages. You'll come to a door labeled "Hoard Door", requiring lockpicking or the scarlet key. Blacksmith Plans are on the floor about 4 mob pulls down. Once you check the plans the hammersmith spawns. Kill her, take the apron, turn in the quest, get the plans.

Did this at 70 as a protection paladin with a 66 shaman. The mobs near the Blacksmith Plans can still cause problems because all four are capable of healing.

Comentado por 3238

Soloable as a 70 rogue in mediocre gear. Make sure to use crippling poison as they run, and take out the healers first. Not hard at all.

Comentado por 11107

Not needed for the Hammersmith - you can just learn it from the questgiver. The quest still exists for XP and such, you just don't need to complete it for the hammersmith skill.

Comentado por 62266

This is also soloable by an enhancement shaman in pvp (season 1 and 3) gear. Cleared only the spots necessary to get past. The "rat trap" is easily managed by setting up stoneskin/healing totems. Be sure to use line of sight to your advantage in the corridors, set up behind a corner, and pull mobs to the spot.

Comentado por Thottbot

Can this quest be completed in a raid?

Comentado por Thottbot

I've done the Scarlet side of Strat a few times now and have never seen this guy. Can anyone tell me where he spawns or if he's a rare spawn or something? Any help would be apreciated.

Comentado por Thottbot

Can someone confirm or deny whether or not this can still be completed mid raid by dropping out and doing damage, as mentioned above?

I think they stopped that in the last patch, but I've seen other quests that can still be done by dropping out of raid group temporarily.

Comentado por Thottbot

1) The Crimson Hammersmith is a triggered spawn, so you can't just wander around and expect to find it.

2) Clicking on the parchment labeled "Blacksmithing Plans" will trigger the Crimson Hammersmith, who will try and kill you.

3) The parchment labeled "Blacksmithing Plans" seems to have a few locations where it can spawn. The ones I know or have read about are listed here:

A) In the Hoard area, before Canoneer Willy on the floor (this is where I found it).

B) Before the main boss of the Live Side, in two small alcoves, also occupied by Archivist Galiford. It will be sitting on a bench.

Comentado por Thottbot

I'm almost 100% positive that this CANNOT be completed with a raid group any longer (after the patch).

Also, it is pretty difficult to find folks who are willing to 5 man the live side of Stratholme. This is an extremely long and hard fought struggle for very little reward. There are many opportunities along the way for total wipeouts (even with wipe protection). You really need to want to go or like the person a lot to go through all this for these plans.

Having said that, having a bit of foreknowledge can go a long long way. Some tips to getting anywhere in the Live side (after you fight all the undead to get there, go figure).

Comentado por Thottbot

1) Doors and doorways are your enemies. You will be fighting in close quarter hallways. ALWAYS fight well back of any doorways or archways that have enemies beyond. The only person that should be out front is the person pulling. Do not let people run around and look. Stay as a group, with one person out front. Everyone stay far far back of anyone pulling. The reason being, there are wandering enemies beyond these doors and archways that agro on you and drag a whole group onto you if you are not careful. This is ESPECIALLY important when you are opening locked doors. There is almost always a group of wandering enemies that are just past it. Anyone who is opening a door should be well out front and prepared to die just in case to prevent a wipe.

2) When you are fighting, be prepared for adds after the fight. These are scripted sequences when you kill a group or get to a certain point, enemies can spawn either behind or in front of you (live or undead opponents). It's usually a good idea to pull and fight somewhat back from where something is standing, so you have some time to rest.

Comentado por Thottbot

I can confirm that you may not complete this quest if you enter the instance as part of a raid group.
I have tried it twice (leave party, get plans, kill crimson hammersmith) and the hammersmith's apron does not drop.
Having said that I am close to giving up...have tried 5-6 times with a 5 man group and wiped each time.
After trying so many times, however I would think that the following would make a good party to 5-man the instance;
warrior
paladin
mage
warlock
priest/druid

Any comments or suggestions? I know of ppl who have successfully done this in a 5 man party and it's agonising to try again and again with no luck.
Before ppl start posting about how i should learn to use my character's strenghts etc...I know how to play my warrior well as a main tank...just seems to be overwhelming in there with only 5 ppl.

Comentado por Thottbot

FOr the human side a rogue would be MUCH better than a 'lock. you'll need the damage and CC.

plus the group you're stating is all heals and beside mage, not any damage.

warrior, rogue, mage, priest and then either paly or druid would prolly be best.

I did it no problem first try with warrior, rogue(me), hunter, priest, mage

Comentado por Thottbot

I understand everything said, but i am trying to be prepared, and cant find if you need to be friendly or honoured to get this quest, could someone tell me pls?

Comentado por Thottbot

I've been to liveside with a raid and never seen him which means you cant complete the quest if you are in a raid. I went with 5 men and completed it. I have a questtion tho.... does anybody know where this Lilith guy is to turn in the quest? hehe please help!

Comentado por Thottbot

I wonder if it is possible to do this quest with level 50 by having a strong level 60 squad (no raid) do all the killing and when the path to the plans is clear drop one of the true friends and invite the lucky level-50-hammer-smith-to-be into the party. Kill the crimson dude. End-of-story. Anyone tried this?

Comentado por Thottbot

does anybody know where this Lilith guy is to turn in the quest? hehe please help!

He's in Winterspring, Everlook. He's one of three people in a house there.

Comentado por Thottbot

why can`t i get the quest there? i have the one for axe master but the 2 other guys don`t have any quests.

is there a level requirement or do i first have to do the axemaster quest?

is it possible, that i can`t get it because of having that axe-quest in my log?

Comentado por Thottbot

You can only do one of the following: Axesmith, Hammersmith, Swordsmith. They even warn you, that once you complete one of the quests stated above you may not do another.

My question is, can the legendary wpn be made by a hammersmith? Sulfuras? I know you get the quest with the thorium brotherhood after turning in an ignot.

Second question. Does the scarlet hammersmith drop anything?

Comentado por Thottbot

Ok, I've read through all the comments here and am ready to add my comments. I just hope they help clear up any questions.

First, let me say I went in with the required 5-man party (a pug or pick-up-group) and we wiped twice. Both times were when we very first got into the instance LOL. Once we got our "stuff" together, we made it to the boss.

Second, let me say I am not one of the many people who have memorized every inch of every instance AND memorized every boss and every epic item the bosses are capable of dropping. I still don't know what the name of the above-mentioned boss is that we went after.

This was my first time in there. I am a pally and I joined a priest, a warlock, a mage, and a warrior. Halfway through the instance, our mage had to leave and the leader of the group (the priest) called a friend (another mage) and they summoned the other mage.

I explained to the group that it was my first time in there and I was mainly there for the hammersmith quest. This brings me to a response I would like to make to a comment made by Girm 3.8 months ago (at the time I am writing this 2/4/06). Girm says "this is an extremely long & hard fought struggle for very little reward." How about the Righteous Orb? In my server (Draenor)the orbs go for a minimum of 70 gold in the AH. That was an unexpected bonus for me as each person in my party got one as we went through the monestary. Or how about the other quests you can do in this instance? If you join a group that is doing one or more of the other quests and/or want to get your own Righteous Orb, then it is worth it to go in this instance.

The second thing Girm says that I would like to respond to is that "there are many opportunities along the way for total wipeouts." In the next section Girm gives a very detailed description on how to survive this instance. Ya know what? Girm described EVERY FREAKING INSTANCE IN THE GAME! The reason why I bring this up, is if you read Girm's comments (as well as some of the negative comments of others )you might think this is an extremely difficult instance to get through, and this quest can't be done, but this instance is no different in the dangers you face than any of the other instances.

I also read a question asking why anyone would want to become a Swordsmith/Hammersmith/Axesmith. For me it is just for the satisfaction of doing it. I can call myself a Master Hammersmith. Not really worth anything in practical value though.

I found the plans (with the help of the warrior who pointed them out to me) in the hoard area on the floor before we went after Canoneer Willy. You pick up the plans and the Crimson Hammersmith attacks to to get the plans back. When you defeat her, you loot that apron from her. I don't know if she drops anything else as when we killed her I only got the apron.

We then killed Canoneer Willy and went on to kill the boss in this area. Like I said above, I have no idea what his name is, but he turned into a giant and panicked me a kajillion times LOL

One more thing. Lilith is a girl, not a guy as previously stated. She is an undead female NPC and she is one of the three NPC questgivers that are in the Goblin town of Everlook in Winterspring. The other two NPCs standing with her give the quest for the swordsmith and the axesmith (human male/sword and troll male/axe). Once you choose a quest, the other two quests dissapear, but you can change your mind IF you dump the quest before you complete it. Once you dump the quest, all three will be available again. Once you complete the quest though, you are stuck with the one you chose.

Hope this helped somewhat.

Comentado por Thottbot

Can be done with 5 man (was at 273 BSing at the time and lvl 57). Just stay sharp and watch aggro if you are under lvl 58.
Having 2 mages to sheep was a GREAT benefit.

We picked up a really funny rare/blue item - it's only purpose is to make a target dance.
No lie!

Good luck all!

Ankarus
of Ill Gotten Gains
BlackHand Server

Comentado por Thottbot

Since the new patch has come out, the blacksmith specialization has been removed. I completed the sword quest on the undead side and currently have the axe quest in my book now.

Comentado por Thottbot

Ok, Lets rewind a little, I see people that are wanting to know how to become a weaponsmith. Im not sure how this is done if you are a ally, I have never played..and never will play, a ally toon, FOR THE HORDE! Anywho, if you are horde, The weaponsmith and armorsmith trainers are in org, in the back, next to the backsmith trainers, forge, and anvil. If you want to become a weaponsmith, simply talk to the weaponsmith npc there, he is outside, and he will give you a quest. This quest takes some time but its not too hard. Ok, with that said, lets get to the point, I have noticed that about 75% of the people have this wrong. Im not sure what levels are required, but i did this at level 52 and Blacksmith level 270. In order to become a weapon master, wether it be sword, hammer, or axe, you do not need to do any quests. You simply have to talk to one of the three npc's in Winterspring. Right click on one, and they will have two options, 1. a quest (which u dont need to do) and 2. teach me how to be a Master <insert weapon>smith. Choose option two on your perferred weapon trainer, once again the options are Master Sword, Hammer, or Axe Smith. Now why are u picking this? Easy...each option gives u access to two 3 tier weapons, one being a 1 hand, and the other being a 2 hand. If you would like to see these weapons before you pick your spec, simply go to the weaponsmith trainer in org and you can view the diffrent weapons. What do i mean by a 3 tier weapon? Once again..Easy..you must first make the 1st tier weapon (in the case of master swordsmith, the 1st tier one hand sword is the Fireguard. The reason it is called a 3 tier is because, this sword is required to make the 2nd tier Blazeguard, and the 2nd tier is needed to finally make the 3rd tier Blazefury. Once again you have access to two of these kind of weapons, a one hander and a two hander, this is true for each spec, so no matter which way you go it will be like this. So to put it all in one sentence... You must me a weaponsmith to choose between the diffrent weapon specs, These spec trainers are located in winterspring, and there is NO quest required to get spec'ed. Oh yah, almost forgot, the weapons are BoP, so no buying or selling, and the mats are freakin nuts, so good luck and i hope this helps.

Comentado por Thottbot

does ne body no if u can learn more than 1 of these abilities at once, Ex: being a master swordsmith and a master hammersmith. plz let me know. peace

Comentado por Thottbot

No you can't. But as stated above you can learn this recipe now weather your a weaponsmith or armorsmith, all you need is 280 bs skill.

Comentado por Thottbot

STEP 1: Click here and look at this map: http://wow.incgamers.com/cartography/instances/stratholme.php

STEP 2a: Check out number 2 on the map. You MIGHT find blacksmithing plans on the ground while going towards this boss. (It seems to be a random spawn).

STEP 2b: Check out number 3 on the map. You MIGHT find the blacksmithing plans on a table or bench in this area.

STEP 3: Click on the plans to spawn the Crimson Hammersmith. Kill her and loot the apron.

STEP 4: type /dance =P

Comentado por Allakhazam

Ok, I'm lvl 70, and I have unlearned alch and I'm raising BS atm..,
My BS is 275 just for the record...
I have talked with Lilith, there was a q and a simple white cloud with the following text: Teach me how to become a master hammersmith
And that's all! Just click on that, not on the q and u will become master hamemrsmith! Thunder, here I am! =D

Edited, Jul 3rd 2007 7:32pm by Serbiansword

Comentado por Allakhazam

ok a finish the quest but still lilith dosnet make me a hammersmith. wuts misiing for me to do?

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have reached 300 weaponsmith and am a lvl 49. Lilith won't talk to me. Do I have to be lvl 50 (or more) to get this quest?

Comentado por Allakhazam

As of now, all you have to do is talk to Lilith twice and she'll make you a master hammersmith if you meet the requierments. You don't have to do this quest.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Talked to her and became a Hammersmith at lvl 47(275 Weaponsmith).
08/23/07

Comentado por Allakhazam

1)Must have completed Way of the Weaponsmith in either Ironforge or Orgrimmar.

2)Must have a Blacksmithing skill of 250 or higher.

3)Must be level 50 or higher.

Comentado por Allakhazam

just were the crimson guards r, there is a door and its says that u need a key to open it, were can i get that key?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Blizzard is very smart in how they set out there BS quests. They know that inevitably people are going to spend a lot of money on each of the quests along the BS path and therefore have made it so that each quest can be completed 10 levels before the next one, allowing the player to again raise some gold. Very smart...

Comentado por Allakhazam

were can i find crimson hammersmith? plz help

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