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Comentado por 38982

"Your Melee AND Ranged..."

It does work for hunters... :)

Comentado por Redmanifest

Any clue as to whether this will be rep vendored, or badge bought? It just seems reminiscent of the additions Blizz added to the heroic vendor when ZA came out.

Comentado por Suzaku

Just got this on the PTR, with exalted as a Scryer. Doesn't proc previously mentioned "improves Your Critical Rating By 100, lasts 10sec".

For Exalted with Scryers, it procs an attack called Arcane Strike, which deals approximately 350-400 arcane damage. With a bit of testing, it seems to proc about once per fight. Visually, it creates a small spark on the enemy, and looks and sounds like the blood elf racial Mana Tap.

Edit: Arcane Strike can crit.

Comentado por 60605

Aldor Proc:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=45480

Scryer Proc:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=45428

Comentado por frmorrison

If you are a Scryer, the arcane damage proc is affected by your melee crit/hit values and it is confirmed that the arcane damage is affected by Curse of Shadows and Misery, pretty much any +magic damage debuff.

This also is affected by many damage modifiers, such as Imp Sanc Aura (2% more damage), Vengeance (15% more), and weapon specialization (5-6% more damage, depending on the version).

Comentado por 94339

This is a horrible change for dps warriors and rogues if they are scryer. 500 arcane damage is not on par with 200 ap for ten seconds for either class, especially rogues and bloodthirst fury warriors. It may not be a big difference to ms two handed warriors because in ten seconds they are gonna get three swings, but for rogues and fury warriors its a horrible change and a reason to think about changing factions even.

Comentado por Boring

I just got these on live servers, they proc alot more than hourglass imo, and when it procs, it makes the Seal of Vengeance animation as can be seen in my screenshot.

Comentado por 93325

* The Aldor proc grants +200 Attack Power for 10 seconds.
* The Scyer proc grants Arcane Strike, which is 500 Arcane Damage that can also crit.

Comentado por 22719

I just got my necklace i make some tries as a scryer and it seems like it is not static 500 arcane dmg cause it sometimes hit for 370-390ish max crits i saw is 790

Comentado por 100439

I'm quite confused now. Does the scryer proc gives 100 crit rating or that arcane blast?

Comentado por 87458

can any1 confirm if the arcane strike effect is effected by + spell damage?

Comentado por Sapphidia

Ok, hit exalted today and took this thing for a whirl, as a prot spec warrior in fury gear dual wielding. I'm scryer, so was getting the arcane proc.

The arcane strike hits anywhere from 375-400 arcane damage from what I saw on my combat log - so it looks like it's multiplied by the 10% One Handed spec as the proc in WoWhead states 333-367.

It crit quite often too, and I was getting crit values for well over 800. In fact, I'm pretty convinced it not only uses your melee crit rate but also your melee crit damage multiplier - I have the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond meta, and this likely accounted for the much bigger than +100% crit damage.

The only thing that was difficult to gauge is the proc rate/cooldown. Conventional wisdom implies a 10% proc chance with a 45 second internal cooldown in line with similar things, and what I saw using it kind of implied this. Namely, it wont ever chain proc, you wont see it proc massively, but if you're a dual wielder you'll see it proc fairly soon into the start of the fight.

Conclusion: I really like it, even if agility isnt the best of stats for a warrior. I use it in PVE now instead of the S3 Vindicator neck. The proc is fun, does good damage, and seems to be consistent enough to be a valid, decent component of your damage.

Comentado por 143009

I did a test this afternoon, I m a 70 Scryers Feral Drood.

I ve autoattacked a Servant of Grol ( https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/npc=7669 ) at 1.00 speed for 1 hour.

I did :

2037 normal attacks
1796 crit attacks (46%)
for a total of : 3833 attacks

and necklace proc :

47 norm
dmg: avg : 349 max: 367

29 crit (38%)
dmg: avg: 721 max: 754

for a total of : 76 procs

internal CD => 50 sec.

you can watch the wws here : http://wowwebstats.com/k5ynuxrueu3lg?a=2#abilities

Comentado por 102309

Hmm well i am disapointed by the effect for Scryer's .A buff for 10 secs isnt close equal to a 350-400 hit .Every one who is a melee class that uses AP can tell you that a buff for 10 sec is way way better cuz of the %^&* load of atacks we are doing in that 10 sec ,a atack with CD up to 40 sec for 350-400 is just a joke compared to a buff for 10 sec .I dount blizzard will chage the items effect but i am thinking to reroll aldor only cuz of this effect .And wtf ,this effect breaks sap ,thats realy "nice" ,this will be fixed i gues in the next patch's tho ,or we rogues hope so ^^ .
All i can say if you are Scryer melee class that uses AP you are &*!@ed ,sorry for being rude or whatever but this is what i think of this item effect .
This idea :
The Proc Effect's
"Increases Your Attack Power By 200, lasts 10sec" --- Aldor Exalted

"Improves Your Critical Rating By 100, lasts 10sec" ---Scryer Exalted
i think was realy good dno where the guy that wrote it got it but i was hoping it is like that ,cuz that is equal for bouth Aldor and Scryer members ,but nope .
In my eyes wasted a lot of time farming rep and then to finding this .

Comentado por danleo

I have been thinking, 200 attack power is about +14 damage on each attack. A simplistic model with a conservative estimate of 20 attack in these 10 seconds would mean 280 more damage, far less than the 350+ damage of the Aldor proc.

Other issues to consider ?

Comentado por 27389

Just done an hour long test of the Aldor version, with my feral druid, whacking the Servant of Grol with an unmodified 1.0s attack speed.

In 60 minutes (3600 seconds), it procced 71 times.
On average, it took 51 seconds to proc again (45 seconds of which was the internal cooldown)
It therefore had an uptime of (710/3600*100) 19.722%.
This gives an average base AP increase of (0.19722*200) 39.44 AP.
Therefore, the Equip: bonus is roughly equivalent to 20 strength (or 40, for rogues).

It's worth bearing in mind that using specials will likely reduce the time taken slightly (to a minimum of 45 seconds), increasing the overall AP gain slightly.

Also, on short fights, the AP gain will be higher since you get the first proc "free" (ie. waiting 5 instead of 50 seconds).

Comentado por MrHexo

Rogue, Combat
Scryers

mobs: Talbuk Stag, Talbuk Thorngrazer, Clefthoof

>> ALL DMG<<
Melee - 354514 (95.1%)
Arcane Strike - 12510 (3.4%)
Romulo's Poison - 5899 (1.5%)
-----------------------------------------------
>>Melee<<
Hit - 659 (69%) avg 284dmg
Crit - 287 (30%) avg 991 dmg
Miss - 10 (1%)

>>Arcane Strike<<
Hit - 23 (82,1%) avg 377dmg
Crit - 5 (17,9%) avg 769dmg

>>Romulo's Poison<<
Hit - 19 (100%) avg 310dmg

Comentado por 10554

I'm not sure if internal cooldown is different between Aldor/Scryer proc but I can ensure you I got a proc 27 seconds after the buff fade on the Aldor one.

Currently doing further tests but it seems to proc mostly after around 30 seconds of the old buff fade for Aldor.

Comentado por Wezagred

Does anyone know if the Arcane Strike is also affected by +spelldmg? Since, Enhancement Shamans have got a decent amount of spelldmg, and if that is on top of Arcane Strike, it is godlike.

Comentado por Elvinia

Sigh. What's the best way to go from scryers exalted to Aldor in the shortest time possible, if it's even possible?

Comentado por 78534

Is this neck better than Mithril Chain of Heroism (28 str, 22 agi, 22 stam)?
ps i am exalted with scryers

Comentado por 76031

This is definitely affected by CoS and Misery and personal damage modifiers. I had it crit for 1949. Assuming it was from CoS, Misery, Relentless Earthstorm Diamond and Avenging Wrath in addition to full raid buffs.

http://wowwebstats.com/pawgvlwd1uygo?ab=86

Edit: 1949 was proc'd during Magtheridon being banished so outlandishly exaggerated damage. Crits are ~850-900 normally.

Comentado por pandaman

Shattered Sun Pendant of Might: The triggered effect from this item will no longer break Scattershot or other crowd-controlling affects. The visual on the Scryer version has been updated.

Latest PTR patchnotes mention an updated visual, I went onto PTR to try this and was very disappointed. New animation for the Scryer proc now has the Intercept sound effect, and your character swings their melee weapons at the target (looks bad as a Hunter). The small spark still remains, so really the visual hasn't changed at all.

Comentado por Ravedruid

The Scryer Arcane Strike is actually rather generous for Retribution Paladins. With a high cri rate comes a higher crit chance. Vengance is stacked / refreshed by either spell or melee crits of which the Arcane Strike represents the former.

Despite the lower Stamina on this pendant, it also is quite nice for arena combat as well. It decreases the time necessary to get vengance up and going (especially against high resilience opponets) by including a 5th strike on an opening swing (CS + SoC along with normal melee + SoC) which can crit.

The fact that Retribution Paladins still rely heavily on burst damage do to lack of CC and limited instant attacks makes this nice as well.

I am sure that this will proc any talent requiring a spell critical to be triggered but aside from a Paladin I can't think of any other class that would gain the benefit of this since it requires the pendant to be equiped and the proc alone is not enough to outweigh the other necks available (such as a moonkin looking to melee between casts who still wouldn't benifit more from this than the spell damage variety)

An Enhancement Shaman with points in Elemental Devastation would also stand to benefit. I can't say wether or not it would proc chance on crit or spell cast trinkets but using a Lightning Capacitor with this might prove intresting or at least entertaining.

Comentado por 115678

It seems like the Aldor version (+200 AP / 10 sec) could be best for Leather workers who can pop a 'drums of speed' (+80 haste for 30 sec) to maximize the number of attacks which receive the +200 AP boost during the 10 second proc. This would require activating drums quickly once the neck procs.

Comentado por bolo93

I wonder, I have warr alt. What is better this or neck from Hyjal trash ? ( chokker of serrated blades ) If Im aldor.

Comentado por Zaphiroth

Arcane strike can be dodged by the enemy so it should do more dps with expertise =)

edit: and can also (perhaps obviously) be parried and blocked aswell.
Overall this pretty much works like seal of command.

Comentado por 81815

Wow, my comment got purged for saying something completely objective and helpful. $%^& this wowhead doesn't deserve enlightenment.

Comentado por xstaindx

Does the aldor proc stack with https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28034

Comentado por extacy1375

xstaidx-----
I am wondering the same thing if the aldor version stacks with the Hourglass of the Unraveller??

I had both equiped during my raid last night and all i saw was the hourglass procing.

Just read that you have to have the rep for it to proc...

if this is true, this does suck!

Comentado por zinspawn

On my hunter I'm exalted with Aldor, whilst wearing this necklace the proc seems to reset my auto shots and mess up my shot rotation. Can any one else comfirm this?

Comentado por 70784

Ok, So obviously I could not read what the item said "exalted with Aldor"

my bad!

I have finally become exalted with the Aldor (cost me about 800g buying marks of sargeras)

This necklace rocks! It procs almost every single fight and it last about 8 seconds which is about most of the PVP fight with a mage when I fight with my rogue :)

Comentado por catheryna

For a *non* hit-capped combat dagger rogue, swapping out a +hit neck such as the Worgen Claw Necklace to wear this (for Aldor anyway) seems to have a negative effect on raid DPS, despite the apparent MAEP superiority of this item. The proc is nice, but if you have to give up +hit to enjoy it, I'd be careful to test it thoroughly before adopting it as your standard PvE neck.

Comentado por 66125

When it procs, my character (female blood elf) does the generic two-hand weapon attack animation. Also see it as an orc.

Also plays the warriors' Charge sound effect.

Comentado por 157765

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29381#comments better than this necklace? i've been having trouble with hit ratings tho :(

Comentado por 74335

Just wondering, for a fury warr exalted with Aldor, should i get this neck piece or get the new https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=35135 ? I understand the new S4 neck is better than this one as far as stats, AP, crit rating etc are concerned, however does the proc of the shattered sun neck out weigh this fact?

Comentado por 73706

I've been leveling an enhancement shammy alt and he's at 60 now. I'm wondering if, when the time comes, its worth it to go Aldor JUST because of this necklace since the difference between Aldor and Scryer is minimal for an enhancement shaman. Neither side has good armor for me, neither side has a trinket for me, neither side has a weapon for me (and no, enhancement shamans do not use daggers!).

Seems kind of silly to me in a way, going Aldor just for the proc off a necklace, but seeing as how this necklace is the best you can get for many classes even into T5 content I don't see a problem. Anyone have some input?

Comentado por Eoxedge

I am with aldor so this neck is absolutly brilliant espically when SnD, Moongoose, Bladefist breath Rage of the Unraveller and this neck all prot at the same time I think if memorey serves me correct I can near crit about 2k SS damage and since I am combat Fist I have around 31% crit chance meaning pleantly of criting and huge damage DEFIANTLY worth getting Pre-Kara

Comentado por 74188

Tbh. Tried it out on my rogue and I'm not impressed with neither the hidden cooldown (which is pretty long), nor the procc rate. Sure it's unusual to get another chance on hit on a neck, but after trying it out I am selling it to vendor and going back to my Choker of Vile intent. Might be a bit more atp then Choker of Animalistic Fury, but very much less critical strike rating. Might work for sword-rogues though. I am aldor btw.

Edit: Was going to try this for my "Trash-gear" since i really don't need to be hit-capped on trash, therefor the comparison to Choker of Animalistic Fury. For getting this, down lurker. eeze mode.

Comentado por Allakhazam

is this thing any good

Comentado por Allakhazam

I've killed at least 50 npcs and it hasn't done a damn thing with scryer rep, what a P.O.S. ok edit that, its hard to spot, no visible proc when it does all you see is a listing for 'Arcane Strike' in your combat log (as opposed to 'Arcane Shot')

Edited, Apr 25th 2008 11:53pm by Shiznit

Comentado por Allakhazam

The scyrer bonus is BS, i hate blizzard for this thing, im stuck scyers and cant change my faction back.

Comentado por Allakhazam

For Aldor the proc increases your attack power by 200.

Comentado por Allakhazam

What does the proc for Scryers do?

Comentado por Allakhazam

The proc rate for the Aldor is pretty good, I'm not sure about the proc rate for Scryers, because there is no visual indication when it happens. The Scryer proc is instant arcane damage to the target.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Scryer proc rate for this seems to be really low.

Comentado por Allakhazam

The proc rate for the scryer arcane attack seems a bit low, as a feral druid in cat form with 0.99 attack speed it seems to proc about once a fight, against level 70 mobs.

The proc is arcane damage to your target, it was hitting for about 375 for me, with almost no +spell damage (not sure that it would affect it anyway?)

When the card procs it makes a noise that sounds like a warriors intercept charge/druid feral charge and seems to sometimes do a purple/pink flash of light on the mob

Over all nothing stunning, the +AP bonus is nice but the proc rate needs to be increased a bit.

Comentado por Thottbot

Aldor Proc:
Light's Strength - Increases Attack Power by 200 for 10 sec.

Scryers Proc:
Arcane Strike - 333-367 Instant Arcane Damage.
(Can Crit but unaffected by +Spell Damage)

Comentado por Thottbot

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/majinspleen/arcanestrike.jpg

Comentado por Thottbot

(Aldor proc) Ive testet it kept autoattack a mob, it procced every 45-55 seconds that means, the proc is up 1/5 of the time your attacking
thats 20%.
20% of the 200 ap is 40 AP so just to give ppl a picture how good it is, you just add those 40 ap to the neck
so it would look like:

+18 Agility
+19 Stamina
+104 Attack power

Must say, i really love this neck!

Comentado por Thottbot

Scryer proc and Aldor proc should be the same.

Comentado por Thottbot

I can say now that the Arcane strike scryer abilitys' crit chance is based on physical crit chance and not spell crit chance.

2000 arrows fired and, when it procced, it critted 30% of the time, with my crit rating of 29.95%. This was against lvl 53 grey mobs btw, but it was averaging about 440 dmg per hit (factoring in crits)

I wasn't measuring how often they proc timewise, but it wieghed in at procing 1.6% of all the shots I fired. This was in more or less constant farm mode. Thats roughly 7 damage added to each shot I fired. Or about 8 dps on a raiding shot rotation.

Comentado por Thottbot

Just thought i'd post a WWS report.
This is not to brag, hence why I don't show my damage compared to others. I only show my total damage and the damage done by the Arcane Strike. My personal DPS and total guild DPS for the kill or time it took to down him is irrelavant.

This is for Teron Gorefiend, on April 24 2008. I did NOT get the debuff to turn into a Ghost. I DPSed until he died.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q194/ddut/teron.jpg

Total Damage done (including pet): 397 178
Damage done by Arcane Strike: 2504
% of damage done by Arcane Strike: 0.6304478092945732 %

Total Damage done (without pet): 291 656
Damage done by Arcane Strike: 2504
% of damage done by Arcane Strike: 0.8585456839564447 %

Total shots by hunter: 189
Total procs from pendant: 6
Proc percentage: 3.17460317460317 %

This is for Gurtogg Bloodboil, on April 24 2008. I did not get the Fel Rage Debuff, nor was I in the Bloodboil sequence group. I just sat there and DPSed the whole time.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q194/ddut/bloodboil.jpg

Total Damage done (including pet): 537 428
Damage done by Arcane Strike: 3 963
% of damage done by Arcane Srike: 0.73740110303147584 %

Total Damage done (without pet): 403 556
Damage done by Arcane Strike: 3 963
% of damage done by Arcane Strike: 0.9747734629423744 %

Total shots by hunter: 284
Total procs from pendant: 5
Proc percentage: 1.760563380281690 %

The actual proc rate, for me, for those two fights on that particular night, is 2.435 %.

If you enjoyed this information, please give it a +1 vote.
If you thought it sucked ass, please give it a -1 vote.

Edit: If you liked this information alot, you can go a step further by giving a -1 vote to all the crap ass comments posted above stating that the pendant doesn't work.
You need exalted with Scryer or Aldor for it to proc, gentlemen.

Ty for reading

Comentado por Thottbot

Any Rogues tested whether the "tanking" neck with Scryer rep is actually better for PVE? Obviously not for burst damage, but for sustained DPS? I feel like this Scryer proc (and proc rate) kind of sucks compared to 100 Expertise proc... But I haven't raided Rogue in a long time so, just curious...

Comentado por Thottbot

It makes sense that aldor proc is better I say, As scryers don't need to pay extra repair bills :P

Comentado por Thottbot

Any opinion on whether I should go for Shattered Sun Pendant of Might or Choker of Vile Intent for a rogue? Mostly PvE and combat spec. Thanks!

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29381/gargantilha-da-intenção-torpe

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34679/pingente-de-poder-dos-sol-partido

Comentado por Oorz

just noticed that this not proccing anymore on pre patch .. and yes i am exatled and it used to work before the pre patch

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