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Drops from Nightbane.

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This is part of the Karazhan plate tanking set (grafics)

Helm: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28593#z0z (Theater)
Shoulders: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28743 (Netherspite)
Chest: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28597 (Nightbane)
Legs: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28621 (Curator)
Gauntlets: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28518 (Maiden)

It's the same model as the Lawbringer set, with new colors.

Comentado por mbulmer

For Warriors who enjoy stacking Stamina, this chestpiece offers one of the highest overall Stamina bonuses in comparison with other Karazhan & T4-level gear. Other than the fact it's hideously ugly recolored pally gear, it is one of the best you can get pre-T5-level.

If you are over the 490 Defense soft cap, this is a great item to stack Solid Stars of Elune (+12 Stam) in, or if those are currently too expensive on your server like they are on mine, just go with the +9 Stam gems instead -- they're much cheaper and still give you an additional +27 Stam with all three sockets filled (like most set bonuses, it's really not worth getting matching gems for this one).

Seems like it's actually a pretty common drop from Nightbane -- seen it drop three times in the past three weeks. Maybe we're just lucky.

Comentado por 31563

Quick Question:
Anybody know where the name comes from? Most of the names of gear either reference Warcraft lore or are self-explanatory in their naming. I've never heard anything about Panzar'Thar in any lore and I'm not sure it has any meaning in normal language either. Anyone?

Comentado por sponge

first 2 nightbane kills dropped each time /facepalm

Comentado por 54174

Take McChuckles post on not getting socket bonuses with a grain of salt. On a good 60% of the plate items with sockets, it's not worthwhile to socket for the bonus. However, any good tank knows that going for full avoidance with little to no block and only stam to back it up will make you a very spiky sponge.

Why is that? Simple, in any given boss fight the tank is building aggro while keep debuffs applied on the boss. If you start to gimp your block%, your shield slam will not generate the amount of threat it could if you started to stack it. I'm NOT saying that should be the only move you use while you tank, but it should be used on every cool down. Take a look at any tank in the top guilds server wide. They need to rely on taking damage to keep aggro. If you just go with plain old stam, dodge, parry, and start "Avoiding" too many attacks, guess what just happened? You have let your DPSers pull aggro since you dodged, parried, "Avoided" attacks hindering your rage generation and can't build any threat. Stacking block helps to reduce the damage coming in, as well as increasing your threat via SS and also getting a good supply of rage. Not only that, but it is much easier for healers to "Predict" your damage intake, rather than watch for spikes that will occur with stacking avoidance. Don't neglect stam by any means, but don't just stack stam when you have decent socket bonuses. As for parry, the bonus is very small and I would not advise to socket for it.

Comentado por Dimitri

The Panzar'Thar Breastplate is the best tanking breastplate up until tier 5:

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28597

I personally have it socketed with +12 Stamina in both blue sockets and a +8 Hit Rating gem in the yellow. Warriors need more +Hit on all of their gear to help with increasing threat per second.

Comentado por 38286

In the 10 man raid where healer mana is a scarce resource then yes, defense is still very useful. However once you go 25 man you generally have the MT being healed by 3 holy paladins spamming flash of light non stop. In that situation it doesn't matter if the tank gets hit or if he dodges, the heals are still going to land, if you dodge the heals just get wasted, if you get hit the heals land, either way you are still on full health.

In that situation the value of the stamina quickly eclipses that of the defense and that is why the further you go the more it makes sense to focus on stamina. In 5 mans and Karazhan where you can use reactive healing (i.e the healer starts casting when he sees the tank take damage) then the defense directly translates into healer mana saved, once the healers have no option but to spam heals non stop in case of damage bursts then the stamina becomes a lot more useful.

Comentado por 60147

New artwork is that of the bold/doomplate set, but red in coloring.

Comentado por 45682

Well look.
There are 3 drops in Karazhan from Shade of Aran,Nightbane and Netherspite that got a name that is refering to famous tanks.
Everyone knows the Panzer tanks of the 2nd World War, right? ;)

Now look carefully:

First drop of Shade of Aran:
Items name: Shermanar Great-Ring
Name of the NPC: Sherman Femmel (Butcher in Redridge)
Name of the tank: M4A1 Sherman tank

Second drop of Netherspite:
Items name: Mantle of Abrahmis
Name of the NPC: Deathguard Abraham (NPC near Undercity)
Name of the tank: M1 Abrams Tank

Third and final drop of Nighbane:
Items name: Panzar'Thar Breastplate
Name of the NPC: Panzor the Invincible (Boss in BRD) (Drops Tanking Boots,2-h with Stamina+Armor and Shield)
Name of the tank: Nazi called their tanks Panzer

hehe Blizzard has sense of Humour at least :)
tnx to McChuckles for his valuable post.

Comentado por 5968

Hmm the socket bonus isn't too bad, I'm tempted to put 2 Solid Star of Elune's and an Enduring Talasite in this.

I reckon the 6 stam I'd lose (by putting a 3rd Solid Star in over the Enduring) is worth getting 4 def rating and 4 block rating for:

4 def rating + 4 block rating =
0.06% dodge
0.06% parry
0.06% miss
0.575% block

Comentado por 71727

bury please. Repetitive.

Comentado por 98638

If upgrading from the Breastplate of the Bold, does anyone know how much threat is lost/gained by replacing the 23 strength and 21 agility with the 39 block value on this chest?

Comentado por 71213

depending on the way you tank, this breastplate can be better than t4 or worse. For stacking stamina i would take this, but it can be worse if your starving for avoidance and threat.

Comentado por 33153

For those of us out there that haven't been lucky enough to see this drop, here is a comparison of the new badge tanking check piece, Chestplate of stoicism

+218 armor
+27 stamina
+25 defense
+34 dodge
-24 block rating
-2 sockets
equal block value

Huge upgrade so don't worry too much if this doesn't drop, 5 kara clears and you have a guarenteed better chest.

This fantastic chest can be yours..IF the price is right! (100badges)

Comentado por 171103

Panzar'Thar Breastplate vs. Warbringer Chestguard

The Panzar'Thar Breastplate(Nightbane, Karazhan) will offer:
-60 Armor
+3 Stamina
-16 Strength
-17 Agility
+4 Defense Rating
+1 Shield Block Rating
-6 Shield Block Value

The Warbringer Chestguard(Magtheridon, Magtheridon's Lair) will offer:
+60 Armor
-3 Stamina
+16 Strength
+17 Agility
-4 Defense Rating
-1 Shield Block Rating
+6 Shield Block Value

Panzar'Thar Breastplate has some stats higher than the Warbringer Chestguard, but the difference is not very great. All in all, Warbringer Chestguard is a better chest piece, and should be chosen over Panzar'Thar Breastplate, assuming you are able to raid at the Magtheridon level.

The Breastplate itself is a good piece but can be beat by pieces up the road a bit. OR you can even do what Pyroshen suggests and get a MUCH better piece for 100 Badge of Justice.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Got this from Nightbane on my warrior as Server First (both chest and kill :) )
13 / 2 / 2007
Server: Stormreaver
Guild: Keelhaul

Comentado por Allakhazam

Drops from Nightbane it appears.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Like all Karazhan epics, this will be buffed come patch 2.1:

Panzar'Thar Breastplate
Binds when picked up
Chest Plate
1450 Armor
+51 Stamina
Yellow Socket
Blue Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Block Rating
Durability 165 / 165
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases defense rating by 26.
Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 24.
Equip: Increases the block value of your shield by 39.

Comentado por Allakhazam

where from?

Comentado por Thottbot

nightbane.

Comentado por Thottbot

Panzar = Panzer

Panzer = Tank

Oh Blizzard, how witty you are. But seriously this is the best tank chest yet. Base stats are right on and has 3 sockets to fill out on whatever you're lacking.

Comentado por Thottbot

add 2 +12 Stamina blue gems, add 1 +8 defense yellow gem a +8 defense armor kit, and you have.....

69 Stamina, 40 Defense. uber.

teir 4 has 14 STR 14 AGI, 2 yellow slots and a red slot, ~100 more armor, 6 less defense and 3 less stamina.

both are very close in stats, either would do me.

Comentado por Thottbot

It's clear that the people saying this doesn't have enough defense on it, and that the vendor blue is better, need to l2play. Stacking as much defense as possible isn't the goal, and if thats all you're going for then you're going to have a very poorly balanced tanking set. This is a beautiful piece of armor, any tank would be lucky to have it.

Comentado por Thottbot

sockets allow variability with this but dont forget to consider that it is only one piece of armour, you have another 13 slots including rings and trinkets to think about, not including weapons and shield. so you drop 1% dodge for this...so what? switch some other small piece or armour e.g. wrists or necklace, to get that dodge back. chest piece has always been teh most important, with head and legs slots as well, for stats. so end game tanks will put 3 x +12 stam on it and pallys do whatever you like if you get one.

Comentado por Thottbot

Its odd to see the conversation keeping block rating and block value distinct. I'm a Tank who just got this piece last night , it pushed me up to 30% block rating, and a block value that's sitting somewhere around 470 ( haven't blocked a big hit since the bp dropped). Honestly block has got to be one of the most important stats for a warrior as well. If you combine the shield block ability with a block rating over 25% ( which is essentail) you become both uncritable ( due to 490+ defense) and uncrushable ( atleast while you have shield block up) negating damage spikes, and keeping your healers happy, which after all is half your job as a tank.
Besides all of that stacking block value eats huge chunks of damage since you're blocking more than 1/4 of all incomming hits. Even as paladin tank this should be important. I mean although your aggro is based of block rating, block value saves your hp and your healers mp allowing you to last longer in endurance fights.

Comentado por Thottbot

OK, i have a 70 warrior. People need to stop QQing. This piece is awesome for warriors. BUT it is ALSO awesome for Protection paladins. People need to recognize that not every person of each class is specced the same way.

Comentado por Thottbot

What I think get's missed here on this piece is the amount of mitigation coupled with a high amount of block (raw 3%) which pushes crushes off the table (what I find to be the true reason of block). With a protection paladin or warrior, talents will increase dmg blocked by 30%, so thats actually 39 BV x 1.3 = 52 dmg blocked and with that extra 3% added to your block thats 52 less dmg you're taking.

I am a Protection Paladin and MT kara and this is my ultimate goal gear-wise from kara. With holy shield active I have 60% chance to block, and with my avoidance that gives temporary uncrushability and since holy shield is such a vital ability to tankadins, this chest with BV and BR is just ridiculously beautiful. I can't say that this wouldn't serve its purpose for warriors, with gems and enchants you would find 1050 hp on this and the BV does give extra threat with Shield Slam.

if you've seen t4 for tankadins, you can understand how crazy I am about this piece.

Samsonscott
Malygos

Comentado por Thottbot

New design as of patch 2.1.2 looks like the bold set now but in brown/red same for all the others pieces in kara, mantel of abramis, greater eternium helm iron gauntlets of the maiden and the legs from curator.

Comentado por Thottbot

Tanked Nightbane in a PUG as MS. Been going to kara every week for Four months with no BP or shield.

Pug kills nightbane.
chest drops
shield drops

One lucky lucky lucky pug warrior
Snufalofugus of Laughing skull

Comentado por Thottbot

nightbane definitely requires only 1 tank, and im really hoping this drops for him since his loot table is, crappy, for me being holypriest atm

Comentado por Thottbot

9 kills now, no shield or bp

our 2nd kara group has killed him twice now - 2x bp

go figure

Comentado por Thottbot

Seems to be part of some kind of Karazhan 'set'. At least items with matching graphics.

Vambraces of Courage
Crimson Girdle of the Indomitable
Iron Gauntlets of the Maiden
Eternium Greathelm
Wrynn Dynasty Greaves
Mantle of Abrahmis
Panzar'Thar Breastplate
Battlescar Boots

See also my screenshot with all the items on in the dressing room.

Comentado por Thottbot

my warriors name is panzershrek so if i dont get this chest one day im flipping

Comentado por Thottbot

This beauty dropped tonight, and the way our group works is, we operate on a need/greed basis. 2 tanks in the group, myself (warrior) and a paladin. The paladin won the roll, I congratulated her, though with a lump in my throat because I figure it will be a long while before I see this again, in fact I'm betting I'll have my T4 chest by that time.

To clear up some points raised above, prot warriors likely have at least 2 additional stuns at their disposal; Concussion Blow (5 seconds) and Imp. Revenge (up to 3 seconds, depending on points invested).

Prot Warriors versus Prot. Paladins *sighs*

My 2 cents. I raid with a Prot Paladin, and frankly any warrior who says paladins can't tank obviously hasn't *seen* one tank. A Pally pulling with Avenger's Shield followed by Consecration/Retribution Aura has an insane, immediate amount of threat that it takes my warrior a while to catch up to, if he manages it at all. Not because I suck (my gear tells a different story) but because on a pull alone the pally typically has 2k immeadiate threat.

For tanking multiple mobs, a paladin tank is unmatched. A paladin tank is godly versus the Imps at Illhoof, for example. But unless a dwarf priest is in the group, a paladin can't tank Nightbane - who drops this chest, by the way - because of the fears, and neither can a druid. So for that, you want a warrior.

What's my point? Warriors can tank. Paladins can tank. Paladins have it easier I think because a lot of their threat generation is passive, whereas a warrior has to actively work at building it - but that doesn't make a paladin less viable or desirable as a tank. In certain situations a warrior is preferable to a paladin, just as sometimes a paladin is preferable to a warrior (Hydross the Unstable, for example). Neither is "better" than the other, just different.

The days of raiding paladins specced exclusively as healbots are over, and I for one am happy to see it. Nothing like a bit of friendly rivalry to make things interesting.

Retribution paladins still make me giggle though :p

Comentado por Thottbot

oh my look at the misinformation here

by "somethingmorbid"
"Honestly block has got to be one of the most important stats for a warrior as well. If you combine the shield block ability with a block rating over 25% ( which is essentail) you become both uncritable ( due to 490+ defense) and uncrushable ( atleast while you have shield block up) negating damage spikes"

you have totally forgotten about DODGE, PARRY, AND MISS. There is NOTHING SPECIAL about getting a block rating of 25%! Read the wow forums esp by Satrina and Ciderhelm.

Looking at my warrior's armory right now I am at:
24.3% dodge, 18.32% parry, and 25.38% block. The boss has an inherent 5% miss rate (I think). Now when I activate Shield Block, here is the calculation:
5% + 6.88% miss (from def) 24.3% + 18.32% + 25.38% + 75% = 155%, well over the 102.5% (or roundabouts) to prevent crushing blows.

When Shield Block is NOT up it is: 11.88% miss, 24.3% dodge, 18.32% parry, 25.38% block, 5% hit, 15% crushing blow.

The equation is *NOT* 25.38% + 75% !

In order to make the active Shield Block ability more effective, you need more Dodge and Parry. When you activate shield block and you block an attack, you lose one of your two charges. If you Dodge or Parry the attack, you lose NO charges. Having a huge passive Shield Block Value does nothing here.

THERE IS NOTHING ESSENTIAL ABOUT 25% BLOCK RATING!

25% Shield Block Value Myth Debunked:
http://www.tankspot.com/forums/evil-empire-guides/33094-blocking.html

by "by Valtzer"
"You do realize... if you block a crushing blow, it's no longer a crushing blow. It's the reason why block % is important for pally's especially to push off the crushing blows from the table"

AND

by "by Dharock"
"important thing for a warriori is to have 25% block chance so when you got shield block you got 100% avoiding to receive a crushing blow"

you can't passively block a crushing blow. The only way to prevent crushing blows is to completely push it off the roll table. That is made possible by pally's holy shield thing and with a warriors active Shield Block ability. When you get Miss + Dodge + Parry + Block over that 102.5% (roundabouts) then Crushing Blow is completely pushed off the roll table. Otherwise you will be suceptable to 15% CB's. Example: 5% miss, 20% dodge, 20% parry, 30% block = 75%. So the remaining 25% attacks will be 10% HITS and 15% Crushing Blows.

Quote: "But yes, overall I agree with you that Avoidance is a better way to save mana for your healers"
This is opinion, not fact, and I will share my opinion as well. I gem for stamina. In my max stam set I have 14 +12STA gems. If I gemmed for avoidance I'd lose over 1.7k+ HP.

You think mana efficiency is getting hit less often, and assuming your healers are not going to be dropping a heal on your anyway. You also ignore that the less overall hp you have, the less margin for error your healers have to react. Go play around with gruul around grow 12-14 (or any 25-man boss for that matter), and lets see what happens when you take 2-3 hits in a row. You die, I live.

I think mana efficiency is building up armor and stam so I can take more damage. Also the more stamina I have, the bigger "bucket" healers have to heal me without overheal.

Gaining 6% avoidance isn't going to increase mana efficiency because you lose HP which increases overheal since you don't have higher HP to "hold" this extra heal.

Gemmed for STAM
14 SSoE (+12STA) = 168 STA = 1680 HP + 5% Vitality + 10% BoKings = 1940 HP

Gemmed for Avoidance and counting all the 'pretty little socket bonuses'
75 def = 1.27% miss, dodge, parry, block
34 dod = 1.8% dodge
3 par = 0.12% parry
8 sbr = 1% shield block rating
20 sta = 230 hp

OR

miss = 1.27%
dodge = 3%
parry = 1.4%
sbr = 2.27%

so, on my toon if I went avoidance... using the significant stats when a 5k+ hit comes, miss+dodge+parry... my avoidance goes from (inherent 5% miss i believe + 6.88% miss from def) + 24.3% dod + 18.32% par

or 54.5% pure avoidance

TO 60.2% pure avoidance

so to assume an extra 6% avoidance and giving up 1700hp is going to save the day, you're wrong. When you are progressing in new content you need max hp to give healers room for error. Also with 1700 hp less, all those heals that top you off are going to result in overheals. I give my healers that extra fat 1700 hp chunk which prevents overheals. Also with 1.7k more hp, a healer has more time to cancel cast and react to sucessive hits than with your puny narrow HP bar where you are relying on CHANCE to save the day. When a boss **DOES AND WILL** get a few successive hits on you, If I'm buffed at 18k, every time I get knocked down by 16.4k, I have 1600 HP left, I live ... BUT YOU LOSE 16.4k, YOU ARE DEAD AND THE RAID WIPES.

Also if you are 16.4k, down to 13k, get healed for 5k, that is 1.6k overhealing.
If I am at 18.0k, down to 13k, get healed for 5k, that is 0.0k overheal.

Mana efficiency?

Gem for avoidance? Go back to 5-man and kara where it's more useful. We had tank in my guild geared about same as me, that gemmed avoidance and when he MT 25-mans he just died alot... not because healers ran out of mana but because he will take a few hits in a row. Had I been there with my more HP, I would been able to take the hits and still live.

Comentado por Thottbot

Dont forget -5% scorpid sting from %^&*!@#s.

Comentado por Thottbot

I had the defense for it when i had crappy blues......This body is awsome stat wise

Comentado por Thottbot

Less QQ

lol

Comentado por Thottbot

panzar is tank in german

Comentado por Thottbot

got it tonight along with moroes pocket watch and barbed choker of discipline

Comentado por Thottbot

how good would i need to be able to enter kara and get this chest piece , i am a prot pally.and any other sugestions on a good chestpiece to get to work up to getting this one.

Comentado por Thottbot

Pre-kara for a pally tank your only real options are the chest from aldor rep, or Breastplate of the righteous from SV (considering you don't have badges to spend since you haven't been in kara).

Comentado por Mahmimelkers

This piece of &*!@ doesnt drop and it's pissing me off. God damn it!

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Nível do Item: 115
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1450 Armadura
+51 Vigor

Engaste amarelo
Engaste azul
Engaste azul
Bônus de Engaste: +4 Taxa de Bloqueio

Durabilidade 165 / 165

Requer Nível 70
Equipado: Aumenta em 26 a taxa de defesa.
Equipado: Aumenta em 24 a taxa de bloqueio de escudo.
Equipar: Aumenta em 39 o valor de bloqueio do seu escudo.

Preço de Venda: 8 16 75

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