Should Phase 2 Raids be Pre-Nerf or Post-Nerf? - The Burning Crusade Anniversary

Posted 2026/04/20 at 10:00 AM by PopularTopular

Phase 2 launching May 14th

Dungeons and Raids

Although we still plan to release Tier 4 content (Karazhan, Gruul, and Magtheridon) in its post-nerf state, we recognize some of the community’s desire for more challenging content, and we want to continue the discussion and evaluate what that may mean for Tier 5 — specifically Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep.

However, we want to experiment with delivering more challenging content elsewhere in TBC, and listen to the community to get their thoughts.

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Comment by diequelleNice to discuss something where the decision is already made.

Maybe get us some answer to that question?Comment by starrkinthey should add wowtokensComment by Tyranth88Keep it nerfed. Rather have it as it is. Its going to throw off the majority of the casual players or even keep alts from gearing up on a scale!Comment by Paukecorrelation and causation.... at p2 tbcc we also had dieing servers due to many reasons and no free transfers naming only one more cause.Comment by LavarI hope it will be in pre-nerf

but i know this Indie company will release it
with post nerf to make all pugs clean this &%$# and make this phase joke like phase 1Comment by PaukeFor me personally p1 was boring. so i vote for pre nerfComment by GrummiHope it comes nerfed and pls nerf the hc dungeon tooComment by DrushWhy does everything need to be easy? Why is this a culture nowadays?
Nobody likes progress, wiping, learning, and eventually killing something that gives you satisfaction.

I bet 90% of the people in the comment field would rather purchase a game - then pay to finish it for them.
Too many SoD players in Classic ani.Comment by BlueletterPost-nerf is the only reasonable choice with accelerated cadence unless their goal is to kill the servers off and NOT do Wrath Anniversary.Comment by PaukeWhy does everything need to be easy? Why is this a culture nowadays?
Nobody likes progress, wiping, learning, and eventually killing something that gives you satisfaction.

I bet 90% of the people in the comment field would rather purchase a game - then pay to finish it for them.
Too many SoD players in Classic ani.Comment by KiryhPre-Nerf for the love of God...
...then you nerf these raids in P3.Comment by BlueletterWhy does everything need to be easy? Why is this a culture nowadays?
Nobody likes progress, wiping, learning, and eventually killing something that gives you satisfaction.

I bet 90% of the people in the comment field would rather purchase a game - then pay to finish it for them.
Too many SoD players in Classic ani.Comment by DrbangPost-nerf is the only reasonable choice with accelerated cadence unless their goal is to kill the servers off and NOT do Wrath Anniversary.Comment by SwordoseShould be absolutely post-nerf.

Players are not playing WoW for the difficulty but for the journey. Raid are part of the journey, it shouldn't be something that make the game cancer for many obvious reasons.

There are not enough loot per boss to justify the pre-nerf. The game should respect our time. I don't want to waste my time on a pre-nerf raid and having no rewards.

Everytime the game is difficult we lost a big part of the population.

MAYBE, you can release it pre-nerf over 1 week to let the try harder shows their big d. on warcraftlogs and being happy to show everyone that they cleaned the pre nerf content even if nobody cares. And after 1 week just release it at post-nerf.Comment by d0k0niteThe simple and correct answer has always been a toggle option. Easy mode and pre-nerf with additional loot dropping. Talk to the NPC and tell him "naw it's too hard" and there you go, post-nerf.Comment by StylotSoD was great. You can run 20 player for competition, or go up to a 40 player raid for loot and fun.

Sadly most people quit in P2 and say SoD is bad and it was no success. But the good times was Phase 4-8 (Level 60) and most missed that part. You can still play SoD btw, the community is active and ready to help.Comment by DichotomyThat would be insane whiplash for the ~~crayon~~ classic enjoyers coming from current p1 content so better make it post nerf.Comment by deathshaloCant imagine blizzard catering to the three people who want pre nerf SSC/TK. Its the third go at this. Touch grass.Comment by SwordoseSoD was great. You can run 20 player for competition, or go up to a 40 player raid for loot and fun.

Sadly most people quit in P2 and say SoD is bad and it was no success. But the good times was Phase 4-8 (Level 60) and most missed that part. You can still play SoD btw, the community is active and ready to help.Comment by serenityxdAs someone who is on his 8th lap through TBC, I think I might quit if this content gets any easier.

This version of TBCC is so easy that it's sad, worse quality than the lowest of private servers. At least I can have fun in 5 man dungeons it's actually challenging (?).

Why would I even play the game when I can just run through the dungeon naked and collect loot? It literally doesn't even matter if you have gear or not. Blizzard - literally people going into Karazhan at level 68 in greens and full clearing, what a joke. This is some of your guys idea of fun?

What a slap in the face to one of the best expansions of all time, release this no effort p1ss easy content. If you release sunwell nerfed it will be a slap in the face to the community.

Make the content buffed to begin with and nerf it after a few months, when other guilds have already killed hard bosses like Kael/Vashj. Put some effort in one for once, God knows anyone of these private servers you shut down would have done that for us, shame on you. This takes minimal effort to monitor something for a few months and it should be the bare minimum you're willing to do if you're hosting this stuff. If you can't do this for us just let the private servers do it because this is pathetic.

Could legit get one pserver dev from the community to make these decisions, shouldn't even need to consult us.

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