Nerfs to Phase 2 Bosses Scheduled for Week of December 14 for Burning Crusade Classic

TBC Posted 2021/11/19 at 12:26 AM by Rokman

which was previously reverted

Hello again! We’ve reached a decision.

We’re going to implement the previously-mentioned adjustments to Morogrim Tidewalker, Lady Vashj, and Kael’thas Sunstrider with weekly maintenance the week of December 14.

Thank you very much for your feedback and discussion. We really appreciate it.

Serpentshrine Caverns

Morogrim Tidewalker – Tidewalker Lurkers’ health has been reduced to their post-nerf values.

Lady Vashj – Persuasion no longer provides crowd control immunity.

Tempest Keep

Kael’thas Sunstrider – The encounter is now set to its post-nerf configuration.

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Comment by Tjc4life22Pre-nerf Vashj was never killed in original TBC. They aren't making the fight easier than it was then, they are bringing it down to the difficultly that anyone who actually killed it back then will remember.

Also anyone who claims that the Vashj nerfs trivialize the fight are hypocrites when the majority of guilds killing her right now pre-nerf are using thornlings to almost completely cheese MCs. So for these players a pre-nerf kill with thornlings is somehow legit but a post nerf kill where people CC the MCs is too easy.Comment by Tjc4life22So if thornlings are the things that make it comparable to the nerf, have your raid farm thornlings and you'll have your nerf...Comment by Ciel89Yes, exactly screw them until they put in the effort to figure it out. The point of the game should be to present challenges for players to overcome and if they cannot then the solution should not be to make the challenges less difficult but to force the players to get better gear, coordinaton, tactics and strategies.Comment by angryflormatSo if thornlings are the things that make it comparable to the nerf, have your raid farm thornlings and you'll have your nerf...Comment by lethalmikeyThis is so wrong. Goes to show Blizz havent learned &*!@Comment by MoltarrContent is going to be nerfed anyway, why people get mad? First it was the short time announce on the nerfs (which makes sense), now they give like a month in advance, and people still mad. What if they announced the next phase (with it's nerfs) instead of just nerfs?

I don't care about the nerfs since we aren't even stuck on the nerfed bosses, we are less than 8/10 and not because we suck, since we rarely have wipes, but because our raiding timebox is short because real life is hard.Comment by soundz89Everyone complaining about these nerfs needs a serious reality check... It's getting nerfed, if you don't like, go play another game. The nerfs aren't even that bad... the main thing people are dying to in p3 vashj anyway is the poison from sporelings... people cheese the mc with weapon unequip weakauras to trivialize it. who #$%^in cares bruh... enjoy being able to do the content faster now that you've cleared it. ffs....Comment by MoltarrLots of "back in my time" people here...Comment by notweakPeople crying for easy content and calling every 10/10 guild tryhards. You dont need to be tryhard to kill Vashj, you just need to have more than 1 braincell. "Pls give me purples blizzard". Pathetic lol.Comment by TheMinglerIt’s funny how cyclical the WoW player base is

You do remember why thousands of us wanted to get away from Retail….right? It was to get away from freebee purps. To get away from LFR. To have your struggles and challenges actually mean something. To not cater to every single whim of casual players.

The game doesn’t need to change. That’s the point of Classic iterations. YOU need to change and adapt both your play style and thinking. We all know the nerfs are coming, but most think they shouldn’t until the next phase

All of the people saying “we can’t fill raids so we can’t get 10/10.” So merge with another guild. Or make a deal with a guild. Attendance, attrition, and recruitment have ALWAYS been issues in WoW. Im not sure how nerfing !@#$ will ease that burden

Lastly, calling people “tryhards” because they don’t want to wipe for 3 months is hilarious. My guild is a 2-day a week, 6 hours, and we killed week one. We knew that the harder we front loaded our attempts and effort that it would pay dividends in the end. Now we clear all content under 3 hours and have an extra day to chill. So is time really and issue in your 8/10 guilds, or are you just inefficient with it?Comment by DabraxusSo if thornlings are the things that make it comparable to the nerf, have your raid farm thornlings and you'll have your nerf...Comment by HekketI think the Vashj nerfs are important. There is way too much rng in that fight, especially when the warrior deletes 3 clothies when MCed because they resisted taunt or it ran out, and we don't even talk about how the poison is distributed.
The Tidewalker nerfs don't make much of a difference (that fight is so easy, just use two pally tanks!) and the Kael nerfs aren't really necessary, as that is basically only a mechanics fight.
But nevertheless, those fights are still challenging even for guilds that are 10/10. Nerfing them now is probably the right time as even for the 10/10 guilds, it makes it easier to gear their raid before BT.Comment by angryflormatChallenging for 10/10 guilds? most 10/10 guilds are 1 night clearing in under 3 hours.. i wouldn't define that as challenging..Comment by BlowjellyNo... Its a horrible tactic to use two pala tanks. Have a lock life tab and the pala tank heal him after earthquake. Obviously healers should only focus tank healing and heal the raid after the pala tank got aggro from the murlocs.

Pretty much same tactic can be used for Lady when handling nagas. Have hpala stand in the middle with RF and the nagas will in 9/10 come to the middle for the tanks to pick them up.Comment by roboscorchermore nerfs make me wanna quit even faster. vashj was down in the first id and even our pug raid with twinks and randoms mixed got 10/10 and now easy puggable content gets nerfed even more. great blizz. why not make it harder instead? 47 guilds on our server have 10/10 already?

Also you take away the experience of properly clearing first time for all 8-9/10 guilds. Clearing it with nerfs means nothing.Comment by Bobert99more nerfs make me wanna quit even faster. vashj was down in the first id and even our pug raid with twinks and randoms mixed got 10/10 and now easy puggable content gets nerfed even more. great blizz. why not make it harder instead? 47 guilds on our server have 10/10 already?

Also you take away the experience of properly clearing first time for all 8-9/10 guilds. Clearing it with nerfs means nothing.Comment by RavynLivenerfing already nerfed content. kekComment by angryflormatmore nerfs make me wanna quit even faster. vashj was down in the first id and even our pug raid with twinks and randoms mixed got 10/10 and now easy puggable content gets nerfed even more. great blizz. why not make it harder instead? 47 guilds on our server have 10/10 already?

Also you take away the experience of properly clearing first time for all 8-9/10 guilds. Clearing it with nerfs means nothing.Comment by HotsdontfallGlad that in the last 2-3 weeks Ive seen more guilds die than ever... I feel like my own guild is going to kick the bucket soon here all because blizz wants to cater to the 1% as usual.... Been stuck at 8/10 almost getting past the hardest part in KT but never can because people kept leaving the game for New World (Lol) and SoM (Really dumb to release at this point.) Not to mention the rotating recruits all the time slowing everything down too. Should've released all the nerfs when they first said they would or sooner.... Even if there werent nerfs... All the bugs in the last two fights make it almost unplayable especially KT. Most of my guilds wipes arent even due to mechanics or dps... Its all the bugs in the fight...Comment by Hotsdontfall? This is PRE-Nerfed content... You know the content that was never cleared back then so they had to nerf it so it was actually doable?

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