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Pve healing with disc. good idea or not ? (3.1)
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to my opinnion disc can heal single targets better than holy but of course holy is a better aoe healer. What do u think about that ? Sure. That is how the two specs were designed. :-)
Do u think disc. can heal in raids (i dont know about ulduar but for now i am thinking of healing in naxx 10-25) ?
yes, absolutely. Non-healers don't know what they're talking about when it comes to healing classes 3/4 of the time.
what stats are important for me can u give advices how much of stats should i have (mp5, sprit, mana, haste, crit,spell power) ? ( i have recently have 2k sp 250 haste %22 holy crit 300mp5 while casting ) .Thanks for ur time ..
Your Crit is low for disciplines, you shouldn't actively see Haste until you have a higher crit %. Your MP5 is fine for starting raids.
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Stack spellpower, then int, then haste IMO. Unless they nerf PW:S, the lower you can get your gcd the better. Crit doesn't benefit PW:S, and for Inspiration uptime in raids, you should be easily able to hit the soft cap without many buffs.
Disc are very strong raid heals, if you consider the effect of PW:S on a raid and make appropriate use of it.
Why is crit "useless"?
Is it because Disc Priest only use PWS and don't got
other
spells
or
talents
that benefit from crit?
Or is it because Disc Priest have
no
talents
with haste?
With 10% haste from gear more then 66% of my flash heals have a casting time of 1.0 seconds. When blood lust hits every spells is at 1.0 seconds casting time or faster. Of course if you got troubles keeping Borrowed Time up haste gets more value. But even for doing heroics you first want to build up your crit to 20-25% for Divine Aegis and then maybe pick up some haste.
The crit soft cap is around 35% (I thought) because then you crit more then Divine Aegis can stack.
As for the original post I'm healing Disc since 3.1 in Ulduar and doing a pretty fine job. It's probably a bit harder in the heroic category because your only aoe spells are some what expensive and hard to use perfectly. And of course there are too many people out there thinking Disc is DPS(why?) or PvP.
In any case you said you enjoyed it, and you aren't the only one. Just be Disc if you like that.
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Paolo
Stack spellpower, then int, then haste IMO. Unless they nerf PW:S, the lower you can get your gcd the better. Crit doesn't benefit PW:S, and for Inspiration uptime in raids, you should be easily able to hit the soft cap without many buffs.
Disc are very strong raid heals, if you consider the effect of PW:S on a raid and make appropriate use of it.
Why is crit "useless"?
Didn't see the word "useless" in his post. I think you over-interpreted. But anyway, his main point is a good one. We of course have lots of spells that can crit, and get lots of benefit from crit. But my activity profile has changed a LOT since 3.1. I'm casting shields
all the time
. I'll look more closely at the numbers when I get home, but it's clear to me that the % of casts that can crit has gone way down because of the shield-spam. But every single cast benefits from haste...
But as we know, and has been discussed into the ground (the poor horse is dead already!), haste and crit are both important. Within reason, you can balance to taste.
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Stack spellpower, then int, then haste IMO. Unless they nerf PW:S, the lower you can get your gcd the better. Crit doesn't benefit PW:S, and for Inspiration uptime in raids, you should be easily able to hit the soft cap without many buffs.
Disc are very strong raid heals, if you consider the effect of PW:S on a raid and make appropriate use of it.
Why is crit "useless"?
Didn't see the word "useless" in his post. I think you over-interpreted. But anyway, his main point is a good one. We of course have lots of spells that can crit, and get lots of benefit from crit. But my activity profile has changed a LOT since 3.1. I'm casting shields
all the time
. I'll look more closely at the numbers when I get home, but it's clear to me that the % of casts that can crit has gone way down because of the shield-spam. But every single cast benefits from haste...
But as we know, and has been discussed into the ground (the poor horse is dead already!), haste and crit are both important. Within reason, you can balance to taste.
I use the """" for a reason, it's not that he saying it's useless, but he is giving the impression that he is discarding it.
If you are seriously only spamming PWS then you barely need haste and don't need crit. You should have over 100% uptime on Borrowed Time which makes the talent haste passive. Together with enlightenment and the 8% haste from raid buffs you only need about 10% to make the GCD 1.0 seconds. And when spells are 1.0 seconds they don't benefit from haste anymore.
There is to much factor to make a good value of haste and I agree it's part of the play style and raid buffs how much haste you need. If you don't got all raid buffs you could use more haste for example. Or when you use PWS less you could use more haste.
And thats my points. The value of Haste increases as soon as you get lower up times on Borrowed Time, which means you don't use your PWS before every spell.
So for me it sounds Haste is more useful when I PWS less. Clearly you think otherwise so explain to me what I am missing then?
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Elrael
Hi folks,
I'm new to Disc and I'd like to improve my understanding of the spec.
Holy priest are said to be better AOE healers. I surmised this comes from the fact that their multi-targets heal are much more mana efficient.
Yup, holy priest are better, but Disc Priest still can do AoE healing too.
Disc priest are supposed to be great single-target healer. Can you illustrate how?
Isn't there was a debuff-cooldown on PW:S? Are you supposed to spam it?
A disc priest has a lot of protective spells. Divine Aegis, PWS and Renewed Hope.
Also a Disc priest can increase healing done to a target with Renewed Hope and Grace.
The debuff is Weakened Soul, which limits the use of shields on the main tank. But shielding against raid damage or shielding offtanks helps the whole raid.
What's a typical Disc spell rotation on a MT and how can it be that crit% is not that great a stat to stack? Which other spell is used on a single-target healer assignement that makes it very important to reduce the GCD to 1.0? Is Penance that much more efficient than a holy priest's Greater heal?
Penance is indeed a lot more efficient then greater heal.
A rotation is free to fill in, but there are some basics. You want to use Penance on every cooldown, and you want to use PWS before Penance. Penance doesn't consume Borrowed Time, but still gets the effect from it. This way you can do Shield -> Penance -> Flash Heal and both Penance and Flash Heal get borrowed time.
Currently I'm using "Shield -> Penance -> Flash Heal -> Shield -> Flash Heal -> Flash Heal" for tank healing.
About three out of every four shields is not on the main tank.
My penance is 1.3 seconds.
Two of three flash heals are 1.0 seconds.
My Flash Heal without Shield and my two shields have a GCD of 1.3 seconds.
Borrowed Time is the main reason I don't use haste a lot from gear, I get my haste from shielding a lot. I got 8% from raid buffs 31% from talents and 11% from gear
after
a PWS. And as you can see 50% of all my spells benefit from the 50% haste. The other three "only" got 25% haste.
50% haste is what most people call the haste hard cap btw, thats when the GCD is reduced to 1.0 seconds.
But PWS cannot crit, so two out of six spells don't benefit from crit. But you most likely want to crit a lot to stack up Divine Aegis anyways.
With less haste from gear you most likely drop one flash heal from the rotation. But there also other factors, so don't blind stare yourself on a rotation.
Some fights can be very hard to keep up a perfect rotation because you need to move or things like that. Also sometimes you need to assist in raid healing when other healers die and the tank seems stable, or you need to keep up two tanks.
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I think I type to much but this pretty much illustrate my whole Disc Experience. Some people disagree about the haste, but I just miss the point of it. More PWS ftw.
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I raid heal as disc now in Naxx 10, that's how win it is.
Well, only when our Resto shammy/druid aren't on. D=
But, disc is WONDERFUL in Ulduar. My guild refuses to go without me. The mitigation is wonderful and lightens the load the other healers have.
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Patty
I tested Disc in a heroic last night and can say it is certainly useful to heal with.
I have only attempted Ulduar as a Holy priest, but we didn't down any bosses and are concentrating on getting naxx 25 on farm as soon as possible, and I am looking forward to tank healing rather than raid healing...if I am allowed to. o_O
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I have recently started using my Disco set/spec more frequently recently in Ulduar and I can say that it can make ALL of the difference.
Putting a Disciplines priest on your MT makes healing significantly easier.
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