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Commentaire de Lachrymal

Excellent threat gen, however it adds another level to tanking meaning you need to sunder 5 times and then start devastating. Currently looking for a mod that will do this with one button....

Commentaire de Mikezila

I've heard from many warriors (mainly the ones in my guild) that this isn't really worth it. Our MT said he didn't notice any increase in ease of keeping aggro by using Devastate than from spamming sunder and shield slam. I don't watch KTM (I'm a Paladin, and if my Flash of Light pulls anywhere near enough hate to get aggro, something is wrong) during raids, but our MT says that Devastate (with 5 sunders up) doesn't even give him as much hate as using plain Sunder.

I'm hoping that something somewhere is bugged, because if not than this is a sad situation.

I haven't used it personally, as I tank as a Paladin, but from what I hear, I'm not missing out on anything special.

Commentaire de 6202

Generally, half a warrior's threat comes from white damage. With devastate, every time you refresh your sunder, you're adding white damage. Consider an easy to get 1H weapon with a high damage range, like the HWL Cleaver... that's a lot of extra white damage you wouldn't have had before. Not only do you contribute a lot more to the depletion of the mob's health, but you increase your threat a lot.

It is important to note, that usually weapons with higher damage ranges have slower speeds, which will negatively affect the frequency of your Heroic Strikes. But they will hit harder...

When all is said and done, my threat has gone up about 15% with devastate and a HWL Cleaver. I highly suggest getting devastate. Everyone tanks differently I guess, so results may vary.

Commentaire de regul

anyone saying this is not useful is totaly wrong. as mentioned above it add white dmg to the sunder armor aggro and made something like 25% more aggro ( i have 1hand BS sword with 81 dps) and in 10 man instances the small margine of white damage can make all the differnce, i tanked prince in karazhan and done 10% of the dmg done ( 100k dmg ) in less than 5 minutes and i think without this damage we wouldn't have killed him.

Commentaire de 22703

From the 2.1 patch notes:

- "Devastate": This talent will now strike with both weapons when dual-wielding.

Commentaire de Incredible

As a pvp-warrior who has never before had a full prot spec i have never done a lot of serious tanking. Now that i have crafted Thunder (epic 2h mace) and a
Drakefist Hammer (epic 1h mace), https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28437#M0z
i wonder if my 1h mace combined with a full prot spec (with devastate) would be better for tanking bosses than
Grom'tor's Charge, https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31071

The 1h mace is 81.1 dps and has 2.7 speed which gives it a rather high damage range of 153-285. It also has a chance on hit to increase attack speed by 19% so this all makes it very suitable to get high Devastate hits which supposedly should produce a lot of threat and give a nice lil boost to your damage output while tanking.

The Grom'tor's Charge is 67.2 dps, +30 stam +11 defense, 75-140 damage and has 1.6 speed which makes it a very good tanking weapon as well (because fast weapons produce more rage and allow more heroic strikes), though maybe not that good for me if i have a full prot spec with devastate? (because fast weapons with low dps produce low devastate hits)

Could someone help me out because i'm not sure which one of them is best for tanking? (it might depend on what spec you're tanking with)
Btw it does feel stupid to use a 67 dps 1h from an old quest reward for tanking while i have an epic 1h mace of 81 dps in my inventory as well.

Commentaire de Tigraine

I am now Full Protection for about 2 Weeks and I have come to the conclusion that Devastate simply isn't en par with Shield-Slam and Revenge.
My main tanking consists of Shield Slams and Revenge whilst doing Thunderclap and Heroics.

For the Record:
It doesn't matter how mutch damage you do as a protection Warrior. If you do contribute 1% or 2% won't change a damn thing. Also a slow weapon for Devastate won't do any good on Heroic Strikes and especially not in Fights where you just need something to dump Rage whilst having Global CD always used..

Commentaire de 53198

Ok, so here it goes. According to WoW wikki (last time I checked) Sunder armor (at highest rank) does 300 threat. While devastate does 100 threat plus the yellow damage it does. So that said, you have to do 200 damage per devistate for it to match the threat of a sunder. I have a 70 warrior, not bad gear, pretty much the best tanking gear available pre-heroics and pre-kara. One thing I've noticed is a lot of this gear doesn't have a lot of strength on it, making Devistate hit for relatively low values. I have a pretty bad main hand a 70 green sword 2.6 weapon speed ~63dps enchant "of the champion". This weapon devastates for around 200 with 5 sunders in defensive stance in an instance. Depending on the mob it'll either hit above or below. Talking to other people I say something like, I have a bad main hand, and they'll point me to some weapon that either has +defence or is a common drop with high dps. Everytime is seems the weapon speed is <2secs, meaning that devastate hits for even less than my current green sword, meaning it causes less threat than sunder. My plan is to get reflex blades because pre heroics and pre raid this should make devastate consitently cause more threat than sunder.

One thing I think is intersting is that, pre BC faster weapons were considered better tanking weapons due to more consistent threat generation (on average) now with devistate unless you have a lot of strength or a very high dps weapon then you need a slow weapon for devistate to be worth it. Interesting huh.

I suppose one thing I forgot to include here is that devastate has a chance to crit while sunder doesn't, so you can account for that if you like, but again, a lot of tank gear doesn't have +crit.

Commentaire de 11408

For everybody wanting to learn about threat and reading up on this talent you shoudl take a look at this threat guide... best I've found for tanking:

http://evilempireguild.org/guides/kenco2.php

Webpage has a problem rendering in IE so use FireFox if you can.

After reading this you'll see that the base threat of Sunder Armor (Rank 6) is 301

The base threat of Devastate is 101 but you add 35 hate per sunder so its really 276. But you get to add to that the dmg caused to that number.

So lets say you have 3/3 Imp Sunder Armor & 3/3 Focused Rage

Your hate per Rage works out like this
Sunder Armor: 33.4 Hate Per Rage Point
Devastate: 23 Hate Per rage (to hit 33.4 you're devastate has to hit for 125 on average)

So you should use Devastate if your Devastate lands for more than 125 dmg. If you're weapon isn't good enough to hit that hard you should continue using sunder armor.

Commentaire de Hyle

Starting Patch 2.3, this ability will combine the effects of Sunder Armor into it's effect, and is affected by all talents and items that affect Sunder Armor. So rage reduction talents should work on this.

Commentaire de 33684

With the new devastate, protection warriors can effectively take sunder armor off their action bars and spam devastate instead.
With imp sunder armor devastate costs a mere 9 rage, almost half the cost of the 17 rage shield slam.
This may mean that shield slam may no longer have top priority in tank rotations, at least until 5 devastates hit.

Commentaire de 104248

can devastate activate weapon procs (like mongoose) ? or, for that matter, any other talent, buff, trinket, etc kind of procs ?

Commentaire de 74836

Being a reletavely new player I would like a couple of tips regarding devastate if anyone would care to oblige.

lvl 70 Warrior with 12/5/44, including talents to reduce devestate to 9 rage. Mostly using Shield with Fireguard for now.

I have recently changed spec to a prot warrior. Whilst farming mobs alone I have noticed that spamming devastate right through to when I can Execute or even through to the kill has better results alround than devastate to 5 then heroic strike as to have enough rage to execute I need to build up prior, ie not use any ability for a period before execution. My question is this, In long solo fights (Elites), long fights in a group and raid tanking, is it better to keep spamming devastate through and past the 5 stacked or should I be changing to other abilities and let the devastate wear off before piling the 5 stack again. Basically would I gain more by having as many seperate 5 stacks of devastate as possible.
Thanks in advance to any kind reponse.

Commentaire de 00bender00

What's the average damage of a first (and last after 5 stack) devastate on an average 68/69 mob?
Assuming you're using a level 115 blue weapon with speed about 2.60 or 2.50, normal/decent ap let's say 1400?

Commentaire de 70576

Devastate doesn't rely on AP to deal damage

Wrong.

"Weapon damage" in tooltip text means: + ( * )

In that formula, average weapon damage is what you perceive to be "weapon damage", i.e. (minimum damage + maximum damage) / 2. The "normalized speed multiplier" is variable by weapon type, being 1.6 for daggers, 2.4 for other one-handed weapons, and 3.3 for two-handed weapons. The last part, attack power / 14, is basically the dps that your attack power is contributing. Thus "weapon damage" for an instant attack is calculated in a very similar manner to a normal white hit with the same weapon, only the speed is "normalized" by weapon type instead of being variable by individual weapons.

If you do a little further math you'll also find out that your attack power contributes quite a lot to the damage of your instant attacks. Also that weapon type really matters - daggers are a no-no as main-hand weapons for warriors.

Commentaire de Thottbot

Are you high or smt?

Commentaire de Thottbot

Devastate is bound to GCD(1.5 s)

I am not sure if the damage calculation for Devastate Rank 2 is below?

(Attack Power * 1.2 / 14) +
(Average Weapon Range / 2) +
(25*Number_Of_SA)

Could anyone confirm this please?

Thanks.

Commentaire de Thottbot

i'm just going through a possible prot tree for my warr for end game and i notice the "focused rage" which would reduce rage required for offensive abilities by 3. does that stack wit improved HS cos that would mean 9 rage HS which in my opinion is very reasonable for tanking and u would still generate enough rage from ur attack to do a shout dependin on how slow u weap is.

obviously tanks need a fast weapon for quik rage but dat would make HS much more effective then devastate. as HS does not effect GCD and devastate does depending on ur weapon u would get a much betta threat generation with a quick weapon and 9 rage HS then every 1.5 devastate and u could still get a devastate in just to refresh the sunders.

i'm not sure if dats tru dat u will get a 9 rage HS but it doesn't say "does not stack with other effects" so i guess it will. it would be nice to have dat confirmed. i also understand dat some of u are going WTF is this guy? on we're talking about devastate not HS but i doubt dps warrs will bother lookin at effective tanking so i decided here would be the best spot

Commentaire de Thottbot

Is it something like this:
(The "x" is an unknown value)

0 sunders = 50% weapon damage
1 sunder = 50% weapon damage + 35 + x threat
2 sunders = 50% weapon damage + 70 + 2x threat
3 sunders = 50% weapon damage + 105 + 3x threat
4 sunders = 50% weapon damage + 140 + 4x threat
5 sunders = 50% weapon damage + 175 + 5x threat

If it is calculated like that, it deals even MORE damage, bcuz you have also sundered the target 1 to 5 times...

Can some1 plz tell me if this is correct? (Some1 who actually knows it through experience plz)

Commentaire de Thottbot

to use this properly do you just put 5 x sunder on then just use devastate over n over between shield block n such ?

Commentaire de Thottbot

If you spec your warrior full prot, you deserve to have a move like this - its not like you're going to go own an MS warrior with a 2H because of this

Commentaire de Thottbot

I have a serious question here. since patch 2.3 came out it made devestate work as a sunder effect. now does this meen one does not need to put the 3 points into improved sunder armor?- and if that is true, in anyone's opinion, what would the 3 points be best used in? i my self currently spec'ed 14/0/47- instead of dogging be uppon my spec i would rather it be about my question, are the 3 points in "improved sunder armor" truly needed now since patch 2.3 came out and were should i or anyone for that fact put the points?

Commentaire de Thottbot

How much will Devastate reduce the targets armour with?

/Kristian

Commentaire de Thottbot

i used to be arms warrior but i switched to prot for being in grps i mainly quest with a priest i lvl so fast its funny with this combo solo is very slow but a prot warrior is so valuable to a grp and devastate holds aggro so nice, against mutiple mobs just use demo shout thunder clap easy

Commentaire de Thottbot

OK, so i've gathered this uses the same 9 rage as sunder armour,

Am i right in reading the tool tip, that this also ''Causes'' the sunder armour affect, in addition it ALSO grants some extra dmg.

Surely then, this is a straight replacement for sunder armour ?

If it causes sunder armour effect, which rank of sunder armour is it causing ?

Can you just use this instead of sunder armour ? And if you use 6 of these consecutively , you will have stacked 5 x sunders + refreshing those 5xSA with 50% dmg + 175.

Do you need to stack sunder armour before you use this ? or can you just use this to cause the sunder armour effect ? Some tards are saying you have to stack SA first... but the tooltip says this causes SA ...

Can sum1 plz reply.

Commentaire de Thottbot

Well this is how i get how this one works:
1) This ability causes Sunder Armor AND deals damage. And because of that, u DO NOT need to use Sunder Armor before using this one.
2) Cuz of statement 1, it does in fact replace Sunder Armor. BUT: If u by some reason are using a 2-hander, Devastate cannot be used, and hence Sunder Armor isn't 100% replaced. (But u can more or less say it gets replaced)
3) I believe that Blizz wud be stupid if they didn't have Devastate causing the max rank of Sunder Armor. So max rank of Sunder i believe. If u are wondering; YES, i think u have to buy the highest rank of Sunder Armor to get the highest rank of Devastate's Sunder Armor.
4) Yes, u can spam this and keep up the 5 sunders and deal +175 damage for as long the target has health.

The statements about "must use 5 sunders then this one", is because Devastate didn't use to CAUSE Sunder Armor effect, just renew it. But now it also causes it.

Remember: This is purely what i THINK it does. Im only level 40 with my warrior so i can't try it out yet. But my statements seem VERY logical and there is no real reason why any of them wud be false. Altho i have seen a prot warrior at 70 use this and thats why i am quite certain about my statements.

Commentaire de Thottbot

This is true. From the update, I can certainly say that devistate is the bread and butter of tanking now. In combination with heroic strike with extra rage, (such as in kara, where your rage is generally built up to 100 in 3-5 hits) Your aggro will more than overpower most dps at their MAX output.

ALSO.. I have more information on this ability that some might not have noticed or told, but devestate generates a small amount of aoe aggro, id say effective up to 5-10 yds. I was grinding rep out in netherstorm, and somone was running from a monster, and while i was devestating mine, he suddenly switched aggro to me, and i got a nice "OMG TY SO MUCH" ^^

If anyonelse has any information on the aggro range and amount,
please post it!

USMCDRILLSGT 70 Prot war, Kael'thas
(yes, its DI)

Commentaire de Thottbot

I just have some additional info in case anyone was confused. Improve SA does stack with Focused Rage (and imp. HS as well) It seems logical because this Imp SA would become pointless but for all those who are confused check out (http://www.wowwiki.com/Focused_Rage)
It explains it at the bottom

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Dévaster

Talent

Rage : 15	Allonge

Incantation immédiate

Fracasse l'armure de la cible, provoquant l'effet Fracasser armure. De plus, inflige 50% des dégâts de l'arme plus 35 pour chaque utilisation de Fracasser armure sur la cible. L'effet de fracassement d'armure peut être cumulé jusqu'à 5 fois.

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Rage : 15

Portée

5 mètres (Combat)

Incantation

Instantanée

Recharge

n/d

GCD

1.5 secondes

Effet #1

Weapon Damage - %
Valeur : 50
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

Effet #2

Normalized Weapon Damage
Valeur : 35
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

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Est une technique
Ne peut être utilisé en changeforme
Ne pas journaliser le rengainage
Démarre le combat (active l'attaque auto)
Décompte la puissance quand raté

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