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Commentaire de 12132

It dropped from Lady Vashj for several guilds yesterday.

Commentaire de Ansi

This trinket lowers your critical strike threat by -54 threat.

For comparison, the Timelapse Shard (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29181) rewarded from the Keepers of Time at Exalted is an instant -901 threat every 2 minuttes.

Prism of Inner Calm is a very nice trinket, which indirectly allows you to do more DPS, but considering what else is available to raise your DPS at the same itemslot, I wouldn't value this one by a whole lot - Unless you have severe aggro problems.

Commentaire de 16848

Since its a static amount of threat off each crit, this generally wouldn't help casters (mages or warlocks who crit big once or twice every 10 seconds).

Assuming you've got a 30% crit chance, you'd need to be attacking once every 1.2 seconds to benefit more from this than from the Keepers of Time trinket. Obviously the only classes that'd do this are the dual wield ones - rogues, warriors, shammies. Like Acidpants220 said, the higher your crit (or the faster you hit), the more this will reduce your threat.

Commentaire de 60820

This trinket is trash. My shadowbolt crits gives me like ~4300 threat. I dont see how -54 can help me at that point. And I have to say that the tank is always ahead of me. So that is the reason we're rolling on it instead of using DKP. (Didnt drop so far, but I bet its gonna be a free nexus or two.)

Commentaire de 60349

The trinket reduces threat on physical crits by 54, but on spell crits it reduces threat by 216.

Here's a little theorycraft on what this would do for a mage.
Assuming the mage is fire speced doing 1000 DPS, with 30% crit, 10% reduced threat from talents and 30% from salvation. Doing a rotation of fireball/fireblast:

1000x.9x.7 = 630 threat per sec.
Fireball = 3 sec cast, 60/3= roughly 20 casts per min, assuming there's fireblast in the rotation then it's doable.
20x.3 = 6 crits per min avarage.
6x216 = 1296 threat reduced over 1 min.
1296/60 = 21.6 threat reduction per sec.
21.6/630 = 3.43% reduced threat, and consequently, 3.42% more DPS you can do without pulling agro.

1000x.0342=34.2 additional DPS per sec, x60 = 2052 additional damage you can do in a min without pulling agro.

Clearly a trinket for classes with high crit and high DPS. I wouldn't say it's useless for casters, if you actually have beastly DPS already and are heavily crit based, it would be quite decent. I'd say DPS warriors would see the most benefit, plus they have no agro dump unlike most casters. Enhancement shamen, mages, and destro locks would be able to get get some good use from this trinket also.

Commentaire de Nightseer

For Feral Druids I don't believe it’s worth using, rather than keeping the Malorne set bonus (proc: 10 rage or 20 energy), and then just using Cower every once in a while (Cower (Rank 5) reduces threat by 1170).

This is of course pure theory, but if we crit for say 350 with normal, white attacks (with Sunder Armor etc. on the target), then we only generate 350 – 54 = 296 threat, if the -54 threat is correct.

If we then say we have 30% crit chance and the fight lasts 10 minutes (with pure damage on the target and no special attacks) then the math should look like this:

350 dmg x (10 x 60) = 210,000 dmg over 10 min (or 600 sec)

210,000 dmg / 100 x 30% crit chance = 63,000 dmg

However, the threat is only reduced by 54, not 350, which means:

63,000 / 350 x 54 = 9,720 threat

9,720 / 210,000 x 100 = 4.628571429 = ~4.63%

4.63% reduced threat? Is it worth it?

Correct me if the math is wrong ^^

EDIT

For comparison Fetish of the Sand Reaver (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=21647#00Rz) can be used 4 times during that fight. It reduces threat by 50% (level 70) on everything (even special attacks). On a 10 minute fight this gives approximately 6.67% reduced threat. GL getting an AQ40 group :>

Commentaire de Buckwyld

Let it be noted that the threat reduction was changed to -150 threat and is no longer -54 threat.

All entries above are no longer valid.

Using the same information as posted bye Nightseer:
350 dmg x (10 x 60) = 210,000 dmg over 10 min (or 600 sec)

210,000 dmg / 100 x 30% crit chance = 63,000 dmg

Threat now reduced by -150.

63,000 / 350 x 150 = 27000threat

27,000 / 210,000 x 100 = ~12.85%

Vastly improved and probably the best threat reduction in the game.

Commentaire de Liquids

Say I were to use this while AoE'ing with Arcane Explosion. Say it hits for 700 and thus crits for 1050. Would the trinket reduce the threat to 50 (before modifiers such as talents and salvation), or would it only affect the crit part of the damage, reducing it to 700 threat?

Commentaire de 24838

This trinket takes 100 threat off of both melee and spell crits, using these triggers:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=38326 melee
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=38327 spell

Commentaire de 47631

I'm a warlock (0/21/40)
I crit about 7-8k with 27%-32% crit (in raid ofc).
Is it worth getting this trinket to keep on dpsing all the time (my DPS is based on crits) or a dps trinket (like the crescent) is still better even if I have to pause sometimes due to my aggro ?

Commentaire de Xamibon

This tinket is also a beauty for a DW warrior.
We have no natural meens to reduce threath.
With some 33% critchance and a massive amount of attacks due to flurry, this will overally reduce threath quite allot, thus allowing to deal more damage with out over agroing..
For Classes as rouge hunter and mage this tinket is a small bit pointless as they can reduce their threath to zero with invs, vanish and FD. Locks can soulshatter if just a small bit, but it will allow them to newk more with out overagroing, Elemental shamans also have a massive spellcrit and can use this quite effecitianly.. Overally a quite good tinket

Commentaire de Rommel

Best trinket ever for a ret pally. ~50% or so crit on judgement of command, can use rank 1 since the proc is the same. Reduces more threat than it actually does.

<3<3<3

Commentaire de 11863

This trinket is godly for Off-spec classes like Fury Warriors, Elemental/Enhancement Shamans, Balance Druids and Retribution Paladins.

I'm assuming most guilds place priority on this trinket to those off-spec classes like mine does. First trinket that dropped went to the Balance Druid and she hasn't been able to pull aggro since. Amazing trinket!

Commentaire de Bamahut

This trinket is the best for any Damage deal class for PvE! This is what been missing in WoW for long!

Commentaire de 17792

Any destruction locks with this trinket? Does it benefit that spec as much as say, an elemental shaman?

Commentaire de Bamahut

when this is couple with the Greater Blessing of Salvation!, is the best way to be in the end of the threat list. This is a must for all high crits changes dps classes.

Commentaire de 92115

Enchant Cloak - Subtlety + Prism of Inner Calm+Fetish of the Sand Reaver+Bracing Earthstorm Diamond+Greater Blessing of Salvation = real fun when fully buffedproced at execute range on a big boss :p

would love to see a movie of some insain execute blasting some ware deep in BT :-)

Commentaire de 93467

with a good tank you shouldnt overaggro on a boss anyway, imo for hunter's soloing.

Commentaire de Exavier

This is a nice thing to have in your back pocket as a Retribution paladin (or any DPS, but I speak as one), but I don't think it's very godly. To be honest you're either giving up your -real- godly trinket (Darkmoon Card: Crusade) or your other trinket which would probably be a Bloodlust Brooch or Berserker's Call. Probably great to have on VR, or on bosses where threat gets sketchy (phase switchers that drop threat like Hydross/Leo), but otherwise it's wasting a trinket slot.

EDIT: After testing with this thing, I've found that this trinket is ridiculously overpowered for a Retribution paladin, and here's why: you get -1000 threat every Seal crit, as it treats it like a spell rather than a melee swing. Now, I was thinking it'd just be on Judgements, but wow. That's a LOT of threat reduction. That's probably a BoSalv in itself. Matter of fact, you can probably roll with this and never have to worry about Salv again, but I'll have to confirm that myself. Amazing. Also, this occurs for both Seal of Blood and Seal of Command.

EDIT 2: So I've raided with this trinket in hand for a while and I'm really impressed. Even though the threat reduction is affected by Salv, it doesn't appear to be affected by Fanaticism's threat reduction. So, what you often end up with (in the case of Seal of Blood anyway) is more threat reduction just by swinging your weapon and getting a Seal crit than the Seal's damage actually does (negative threat). You're actually getting the mob to like you. This allows me to go full-on DPS, or DPS earlier, on many bosses/phase changes where I previously couldn't.

This also grants a little freedom in heroics (or raids with limited Paladins) to where you don't need to keep Salvation on yourself, freeing up that blessing for Might or Wisdom, which more than makes up for the trinket slot being used.

Commentaire de 25180

The threat reduced by this trinket IS registered by Omen btw. Had to do a little digging to find out for sure. As long as your version is reasonably current it should work.

Commentaire de 37401

This is an EXCELLENT trinket for threat fights, obviously. If you're above a tank on Gurtogg, downrank to a rank 1 spell and let loose.

Commentaire de mushu999

I'm confused: does this really work on reducing SPELL casting aggro? The tooltip and explanation above doesn't really say anything about spells, in fact, it specifically says "Crit Threat Reduction Melee" instead. The confusing part is that Thottbot (shhhh!) shows two effects, a melee threat reduction AND a spell threat reduction. So, which is correct? Before I spend a ton of DKP on this when it drops (I'm a Boomkin and really need threat reduction) I need to know if it will actually help me, without guessing.

Commentaire de 25629

Do you guys agree on that this trinket should be very nice for fury warriors 2 ?

Commentaire de Novahawk

This trinket is nothing short of amazing for a fury warrior. I picked it up a couple of months ago and it's now ALWAYS in my #1 trinket slot (Solarian's Sapphire being the other).

On tank and spank fights I was always having to slow down/stop DPS totally because I was fast gaining on the #1 position in threat, a frustrating thing to say the least. Heroic is always queued because I have a lot of hit which basically means I have excess rage even with bloodthirst and whirlwind on cooldown.

Now with this trinket (and salvation), though, I'm always below everyone on threat even if I go all out including haste potions. Even below the rogues (before they vanish, of course).

This has got to be the most rediculously amazing trinket for high output fury warriors, ever. This trinket will always be in my #1 spot for fights that I build lots of threat on easily. No exceptions.

Commentaire de 96948

Anyone have any comments about this trinket for a fire mage?

Commentaire de 70660

It dropped at a fun run for my guild, there were no enhance shammies or dps warriors that day, and I got this for my mage. It certanly helps me at thrash, and aggro sensitive bosses.
Funny thing is I have always thought this trinket is reducing the aggro from crits by %50 so it was like ou are never critting.
After reading these post I'm actullay thinking of using this with arcane missiles. I let you know if it can work multiple times on one arcane missiles spell, giving me a chance to possibily (though not very likely) to have -5000 threat in 5 seconds. Including arcane make virtually no aggro with sublety talent, that would be truly amazing..

Commentaire de chrisboisjoli

This trinket is a God-send for Destro warlocks. I regularly crit my way to the top of the threat meter, soulshatter my way back down, and then work my way back up to the top again. Being able to have this baby reduce my threat with multiple Rank 1 SB crits is worth two trinkets slots IMHO. Destro warlocks should be first on the list for this wonderful little thing.

Commentaire de 82881

I always thought this could have a lot of potential for destruction warlocks, who arguably have the worst threat issues of all classes. I'd love to see the result of a lock using this trinket and having a 40ish% crit rate, hit capped of course, on a fight like Brutallus. Not to mention with all the haste we have access to now would mean you could crit like a madman, and with a good tank and timed shatters, and possibly even shrouding potions, could get amazing results on the dps charts.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Aggro magnets (dps shamans and rogues) should get this one. I experience too much "tank switch" from the tank, to me, which cause mostly me to die, 'cause da healer doesn't expect it.. so this fella can be useful.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Best Retribution Paladin trinket afaik, they have the worst aggro management ingame out of any DPS spec. If I had to choose I'd deffo give it to a Ret Pala or a DPS Fury Warrior.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Anyone happen to know the number or ammount of threat reduction per crit?

Commentaire de Allakhazam

this shouldnt go to a class that already has an aggro dump or aggro reducer, such as the rogues you mentioned.

elemental shamans and moonkin druids

Commentaire de Allakhazam

hmmm

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Dropped yesterday from Lady Vash on the Ysondre server by <Fable>

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Yeah, I think they designed this trinket with George in mind.

Commentaire de Thottbot

If you are prone to pulling aggro, then this trinket will add to the damage you can do, since the sacrifice of damage is irrelevant if you don't have to hold back as much.

Commentaire de Thottbot

it's 54 threat reduction on a physical crit and 216 reduction on a spell crit. since rogues and warriors(specially fury) will be getting more, smaller crits it makes sense to give them a weaker benefit.

with poisons and feint already i don't see a rogue wanting to take a dmg trinket off in favor of this, and hunters can just feign death at their leisure. i think the ones who will be most interested in this will be warriors and shaman, followed by fire mages and destro locks.

Commentaire de Thottbot

No, it's not much use for shadow priests since only SW:d and mind blast will crit, you'll be better with subtlety on cloak if you've not already got it. Or, go with the exhaulted with CoT rep trinket, which you can hit once every 2 minutes, and not have to waste DKP.

Commentaire de Thottbot

I play an Enhancement Shaman, and that should be enough to say that this trinket would benefit me very much.
One thing, that nooby enhancement shamans don't wait for the sunders or a 20k threat before beginning to dps, but when you later in the battle, u need to press esc to prevent taking aggro from an experienced tank with almost 100k aggro, that's how %^&*ed up Shaman threat management is.

So gief gief :P

Commentaire de Thottbot

Notice that the effect has been changed and the values mentioned above no longer apply. The new numbers are -150 threat for physical critical strikes and -1000 threat for spell critical strikes. Which, obviously, is a huge buff.

Commentaire de Thottbot

i don't know where you're getting this 216 value from. when i click on either of the 2 'equip' bonuses and then click on the 'threat reduction' link, the top lists it as a 150 threat reduction while the second lists it as a 1000 threat reduction. personnally I wouldn't get this trinket unless it was the 1000 threat reduction (critting for 6k average generates alot of threat)

Commentaire de Thottbot

Does this mean that it lowers threat from every spell crit by 1000? Sounds too overpowered to me, so I hardly believe that's how it works. But if it does, it's a rather amazing trinket for high damage dealers!

Let's say you're a fire mage with decent (not exceptional) gear and you crit a spell for 4000 damage, it would only cause 2600 threat (or 2700 depending on threat reduction from talent is triggered before or after trinket spell) instead of 3600 (a raiding specced fire or frost mage should have 10% threat reduction from talents). That counts as 35% total threat reduction on a 4000 damage crit (or 32.5% if talent applies second). Not bad at all!

Now, let's say you spam Scorch, obviously critting a lot more often, but not nearly as much as a fireball/frostbolt/pyroblast. Let's say your scorch crits for 1500 and the trinket still lowers your spell crit by 1000 (this seems a bit too good to be true though, so I guess I'm off here) it would cause 450 threat (if talent threat reduction applies after trinket) or as low as 350 (if trinket applies second). This would mean 70% or 76.7% threat reduction respectivly.

Now, if you are Arcane spec spamming Arcane Missiles, would this 1000 threat reduction still apply on every critting missile? If so, your crits with Arcane Missile would cause no threat at all unless you're exceptionally well geared, since Arcane specced mages (and normally fire mages too) have 40% threat reduction with Arcane spells from talents. If talents come first, you'd need +1215 damage and use Arcane Power to get any threat at all and if not using AP, you'd need +1770 damage (with or without trinket)! (If talents come first and trinket second, 1667 x 0.6 - 1000 = 0.2 threat; if trinket counts first, it's still just 400.2 threat, which is still quite amazing!)

Now you may start calling me n00b and such for my non-accurate calcultations (if you find them to be so).

Commentaire de Thottbot

if they dont use ench shammies they will lose lot.

Commentaire de Thottbot

This is the first time i see this threat reduction trinket so I may be wrong but seems to me like blizz needs to redo it so it lowers threat by % of the crit dmg instead of a set value. It doesent seem right that spell crits should grant almost 7X more threat reduction than melee. From MS warrior point of view it hurts me to see such a potentialy usefull item so completely unsuited for my current spec.

As MS I have around 40%crit buffed which begs for this trinket but my crits are 2-3k in dmg. Seeing as there is usually a WF totem down in my group and the damn thing can proc back to back (dont get me wrong I <3 WF) which is 4white numbers in 5sec. Not counting instant attacks my threat can spike for allot and its not something I can do much about save back out and do nothing assuming I didn't proc my way pass the tank in threat. In which case I can just turn the mob/boss away from the raid and wait to die.

Still great trinket for some off-spec dps classes, those that have no means of dropping/managing threat IMO do the numbers, compare your crit%, crit dmg, cast per minute and make sure its good for you before you decide to spend dkp on it. If my calculations are right this trink comes out to arround 5% threat reduction for me. =/

Another thing for casters I think is not sure tho but on long boss fights its probably more important to be mana efficient and this trinket is meant to keep your agro lower so that you can open up more dps might be useful for trash pulls where mana permits burst dmg.

Commentaire de Thottbot

If this drops (my guild is at Vashj atm) it's going to hunters. Why? Since every bloody time if someone over aggros it's the hunters. They have the easiest wipe recovery skill and they still manage to pull aggro >_<

Commentaire de Thottbot

don't forget balance druids = ) we need as much threat reduction as we can take

Commentaire de Thottbot

If any Warlocks are starting Mount Hyjal, which you should be if you have downed Vashj to actually get this item, I recommend this 100%. There is a use for this that nobody in my guild thought of;

Hyjal Trash Waves.

On the Hyjal trash you will be chain-casting Seed of Corruption to bring the waves down quickly, but this can lead to excessive and unpredictable aggro from critical strikes. The same mob can receive three consecutive crits from SoC and then you have a pissed-off Ghoul tearing you up and the tanks normally cant save you. That means a run-back, reducing raid AoE and costing you gold.

This item knocks 1000 threat off every spellcrit on those waves; this means that with ~1200 shadow (not unreasonable for a lock at that stage of progress) your SoC crits will actually be causing LESS aggro than your SoC HITS. Not to mention, you can just switch trinkets for the boss if you need more damage.

Seriously, if you're planning on raiding MH as a Warlock (not as a Mage; you wont be using crit-capable AoE in there) Id consider this trinket worth whatever your guild charges for it in DKP, which is normally barely anything since nobody wants the thing.

~sins

Commentaire de Thottbot

Blessing of salvation reduces the threat reduction from this. For a spell crit you would only get 700 reduced. 1000*.7=700.
I don't know if talents would affect it though because those tend to be melee, shadow, fire, etc. threat reductions, not global.

Commentaire de Thottbot

too bad its not a percentage. My lock crits go for around 3k threat :(

Commentaire de Thottbot

I imagine this item requires quite a bit of thought for guilds that may see it drop. I'm not sure use of dkp is a good idea here. Hopefully the loot master is aware enough of who in the raid most needs this trinket, and can dole it out as a dkp free gift?

Who in your raid is most often risking pulling aggro off your tanks? Paying attention to your threat meter over a few weeks is probably the best way to distribute this item.

Commentaire de Thottbot

Well we just had our first 2 Vashj kills this week.
We were lucky and got 2 prisms.
One went to me(a enhancement shaman AND I LOVEEEEE ITTTTTT) and one to a elemental shaman.

I've used it on trash and Vashj fight and I must say I am impressed. Never pulled agro even though i was critting like a maniac.

On fights where agro isnt much of a issue i use DST and Crusade trinks.

Anyone who is a high threat class should get it and use it on trash so they dont die so often when they AoE/crit to much >:).

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