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PessimiStick
Someone please lock this already
Or you could just... you know... stop reading it.
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toastmaster7727
My argument is:
1. You still can't bring in half-ass players that are really bad at their class and expect to complete anything.
2. As the game progresses, levels will get higher and experienced players will become more common. This means that there aren't as many sucky 80s as there were sucky 70s (save the Death Knights that plague every server).
3. Raiders can no longer whipe from ridiculous things such as: worrying about mana conservation (which slows dps and heals), the more complicated boss strats that were present in previous raids, and from trash pulls that were more or less as dangerous as fighting an actual boss.
4. I would name more. but I got bored.....
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PessimiStick
My argument is:
1. You still can't bring in half-ass players that are really bad at their class and expect to complete anything.Patently false. See: ToGC
2. As the game progresses, levels will get higher and experienced players will become more common. This means that there aren't as many sucky 80s as there were sucky 70s (save the Death Knights that plague every server).What? This is bad logic, as it assumes that terrible players become better, when they clearly do not.
3. Raiders can no longer whipe from ridiculous things such as: worrying about mana conservation (which slows dps and heals), the more complicated boss strats that were present in previous raids, and from trash pulls that were more or less as dangerous as fighting an actual boss.There are way, way more idiot checks in Wrath than there were previously.
4. I would name more. but I got bored.....Good, since you're 0 for 3 so far.
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toastmaster7727
Patently false. See: ToGC
.....What?
What? This is bad logic, as it assumes that terrible players become better, when they clearly do not.
Thats what we call predestination and it was invented to keep the lower caste of the middle ages under control. Also, it makes perfect sense. Level cap becomes higher, people won't fly to the level cap as fast and actually learn how their class is developing before they ding. How you not get this?
There are way, way more idiot checks in Wrath than there were previously.
Hahahahahahaha. Yeah your right. Its not like people can enter the most top end raid and not have to deal with a single trash mob
*cough*
or just AoE everything until the first boss
*cough*
.
Good, since you're 0 for 3 so far.
Now your just QQing more than you should.
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PessimiStick
.....What?Most
guilds
can't even clear ToGC, thus, carrying terribles is obviously not a viable strategy.
Edit: I seem to fail at reading, I read your point as the opposite, so you're 1 for 3. =p
Thats what we call predestination and it was invented to keep the lower caste of the middle ages under control. Also, it makes perfect sense. Level cap becomes higher, people won't fly to the level cap as fast and actually learn how their class is developing before they ding. How you not get this?Except that anyone who actually plays the game knows that isn't the case. Terrible players are terrible because they lack the necessary ability to play well, not because they haven't played enough.
Hahahahahahaha. Yeah your right. Its not like people can enter the most top end raid and not have to deal with a single trash mob
*cough*
or just AoE everything until the first boss
*cough*
.Yes, ToC has no trash. So? Trash is trash, and barring a few overtuned pulls in the history of trash, the rest of it is a trivial non-issue. Bosses are all that matters, and they have many more idiot checks now than they used to.
Now your just QQing more than you should.I'm not QQing, I'm pointing out that you're an idiot. Not even remotely the same thing.
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PessimiStick
There's a distinction between
ignorant
players and terrible players.
One can get better, the other does not.
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Zarra
Maybe some people have forgotten what useless nabs they were when they started playing this game. I certainly do and i couldnt understand why BoE/BoP was important to look at when Needing Greeding until someone took the time to explain. Let alone when i started doing PvP and was called names cause i wouldn't get out of cat form to heal. This maybe a simple mechanic but so is staying out of the fire or switching dps an an add and so on. And some people just havent had the training to deal with the level of coordination needed for some of these things. If you are decent you will learn. If you don't, you 're 8
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Orranis
Rules you must follow before complaining about ease:
A. If you wish to complain about how easy it is to get items, you first must show at least half of your gear, preferably 3/4, is of the current highest level item.
B. You must have cleared the hardest boss in the highest level raid currently available.
You could add more, but this is the basics.
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MemMem
It's too easy to get gear
Yes, if you're thinking about item level 232 and 245, you're right. Blizzard decided to do this so that casual players also can experience new content. It's all about giving people gameplay for their money.
If you'd like a challange, however, you can try the heroic modes. Heroic modes aren't the same. They have different strategies, more hp and damage. It requires more movement and communication. Heroic modes drop the gear with a higher item level and stats, plus achievements to show off your skill.
What more can you ask for? Everyone can experience the raid dungeons, while the hardcore gain better gear from doing hardmodes.
The new bosses seams like ToC10/25 that you can just PuG
Why not? Some people do have a real life and can't fit standard raiding schedules. With this difficulty level everyone can experience raids without giving up their real life tasks.
The hard part of world of warcraft is PvP
PvE is hard with hardmodes. PvP is hard, depending on who you play against. I also think PvP is too class dependent, compared to PvE. If you'd like to experience the hardest part of WoW, you'll need to play arena in high ratings, matching you with the best of the best. Bosses could scale too, but then people wouldn't experience the content that easily.
I loved 60 times in PvE because you needed to get an effort to get the gear.
Tired of people writing this. You liked it when you were amongst the few who had time to play the content of WoW back in vanilla. You're all whiners. You still have to give a lot of effort to get the best gear, so stfu.
In 70 times it was a bit tricky to get gear also but not that hard, in the end of sunwell it was like really easy
but it was IN THE END!
The first ones to clear it gets the credits for it, the rest just pick up the gear. I play WoW for the credits and fun, if you play it for the gear I feel sorry for you.
80times it was a bit hard in the begging (if you can call it that) but then they started nerfing Naxx and I was like "Well they are trying to make it easy for the new people" I can agree with that it's a good argument. But what is it up with JUST making Achievements hard to get and not killing the normal boss. Also some achivments are hard to get but you don't get anything to do it just a achievements that you are a geek?
Again, everyone who buy the game should have a fair chance to play it till' the fullest. If you'd like to achieve more, do the hard-modes. They give you your precious gear and nice achievements and titles.
Is that what we want WoW to come to?
Just Achievements?
No? Did you play Ulduar? Did you hear about Algalon? They saved the coolest boss in the dungeon only for the most hardcore. Algalon also dropped exclusive gear and gave great titles.
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Mesoforte
Want a harder game?
I recommend
Eve
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windstrum
Prove me wrong!
I think the number of people raiding now compared to Vanilla/BC speaks for itself. If its
more
popular than ever, how the $%^& can you say its dead?
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