Chicken haste -- when is it too much?

Publication par gryldrak

Hi dr00d folks!

I was wondering whether my current haste would be better replaced with some other stats, now that I am over the "soft cap" of 400. More specifically, I am concerned that I don't have enough crit. In my raids, we have a Draenei, and I am specced into Improved Faerie Fire and Balance of Power (1% + 3% + 4%).

Do you think that I should replace the Stormrage Crown with my old Tier 8.5 helm so I have the "double set bonus" again? In testing on target dummies, I didn't notice that much of a DPS increase by doing so.

Any help or comments you could provide would be appreciated.

And yes, I know I have PvP bracers on.

For some reason I can't get the link to show up correctly. My toon's name is Misstreedead, and I am on the Alleria (US) server.

Publication par Gemily

At some point Lespaul is going to show up telling you that you can never have too much haste :D
And to a certain degree he's right.

But at the same time, you already pointed out your problem, which is that you're really low on crit. I start kicking myself when I get near 20% unbuffed. Unfortunetly the only place where I can see that you can make an immediate change is the gem in your shoulders, and to put a sp/crit one instead.

I don't know what to tell you about the helm and the double bonus, the experts say it's the way to go *shrug*.

Publication par gryldrak

And when you say "20% unbuffed," do you mean in form with mark, or in caster form only?

I am kicking myself now for giving my chicken friend Eye of the Broodmother. :(

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Publication par Gemily

I mean unbuffed, no mark, no moonkin form. Just me and my gear.

I like to have 30% once buffed and moonkin form, so that puts me at about 22-24% out of form.

Publication par Sgtpain

I mean unbuffed, no mark, no moonkin form. Just me and my gear.

I like to have 30% once buffed and moonkin form, so that puts me at about 22-24% out of form.

Thats pretty sick lol how much haste do you have?

My crit is a bit low, maybe 17% in caster form without buffs, but my haste is over 480. Not much I can do about it, because I don't really want to gem for anything but SP, or I will lose dps, right?

In raids, I do about 4500 dps though, and my gear isn't that great. Mana isn't usually an issue unless I am nuking with heroism, in which I have hit over 6k dps.

If mana isn't an issue, should I really care? Didn;t mean to hijack the thread, but this is a concern I have also had. here is my armory. it's an alt, so please go easy on me. lol Damn OH is a pain to get rid of...

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shu%27halo&n=Moogly

Publication par gryldrak

Ugh, I replaced that shoulder gem with the Potent Ametrine but then I jacked up my meta gem. So I had to put another Purified Dreadstone in my pants. ... I hope to get some better crit gear next week in the ToC raids or something, or maybe through Emblems of Triumph.

Thanks for the help. Caawwww!

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Ugh, I replaced that shoulder gem with the Potent Ametrine but then I jacked up my meta gem. So I had to put another Purified Dreadstone in my pants. ...

When I looked at your armory you had a Reckless Ametrine, which is an orange gem just like Potent Ametrine, so it shouldn't have changed anything. To still get the socket bonus in your pants you can put a Purified Dreadstone in your belt and a Potent Ametrine in your pants.

Thats pretty sick lol how much haste do you have?

My armory is in my signature, I think I'm a little over 500 haste, and almost 22% crit.

Your gear isn't bad Sgtpain, the only thing I can think of for you is that you're way under the hit cap. I believe its 263, and you're sitting at 210. Bump that up and your dps should go up a ton. You could upgrade the gem in your boots. Other than there's not much you can do ;( Also grab one of the emblem offhands. Not the best, but better than what you have.

Publication par gryldrak

When I looked at your armory you had a Reckless Ametrine, which is an orange gem just like Potent Ametrine, so it shouldn't have changed anything. To still get the socket bonus in your pants you can put a Purified Dreadstone in your belt and a Potent Ametrine in your pants.

Wow then I must not have noticed that my meta was inactive beforehand. That sucks (/slaps chicken face). I need to get my JC toon back to Alleria. :)

Publication par Sgtpain

Ugh, I replaced that shoulder gem with the Potent Ametrine but then I jacked up my meta gem. So I had to put another Purified Dreadstone in my pants. ...

When I looked at your armory you had a Reckless Ametrine, which is an orange gem just like Potent Ametrine, so it shouldn't have changed anything. To still get the socket bonus in your pants you can put a Purified Dreadstone in your belt and a Potent Ametrine in your pants.

Thats pretty sick lol how much haste do you have?

Your gear isn't bad Sgtpain, the only thing I can think of for you is that you're way under the hit cap. I believe its 263, and you're sitting at 210. Bump that up and your dps should go up a ton. You could upgrade the gem in your boots. Other than there's not much you can do ;( Also grab one of the emblem offhands. Not the best, but better than what you have.

Oh dang, I misread the info. So is it 263 even with Imp FF? Hmmm, I will def look into what I can do to up my hit.

Publication par curlymon

Less then 400 haste - Stack haste
It is perfectly OK to get Crit before the 400 haste mark so don't stack haste to the exclusion of crit.

Greater then 400 haste - Stack crit
It is perfectly OK to get haste after the 400 haste mark so don't stack crit to the exclusion of haste.

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Well said Curly :D

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Do you think that I should replace the Stormrage Crown with my old Tier 8.5 helm so I have the "double set bonus" again? In testing on target dummies, I didn't notice that much of a DPS increase by doing so.

YES.

In a 25M Raid setting, the 2T8 Bonus is going to bring more DPS to the table than Stormrage Crown. In a raid setting, you're going to have a lot of haste and crit provided by the raid, and 2t8 makes you scale much better.

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Oh dang, I misread the info. So is it 263 even with Imp FF? Hmmm, I will def look into what I can do to up my hit.

Yes, with all of + hit tricks and talents and spells, the hit cap is 263. IF you have a draenei in your group 100% of the time, you can drop it to 237. But that's not really reliable.

Awsome, I regemmed slightly differently and got it up a little closer. Should be okay until I get the OH, which has 30 something hit.

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Publication par hashmel

you truly only have too much haste when your starfires dip below the GCD although that'll never be the case really

however stacking haste comes with a price, sacrificing some crit

haste is more consistant dps than crit but crit fuels our mana regen, dps, rotations, and any procs we may have be it trinkets or buffs

i'd prefer more haste than crit but without crit dropping terribly low so i can still get consistant eclipse procs while packing as many wraths/starfires in the eclipse as possible

Publication par gryldrak

OK, so it has come time now for me to buy either my third piece of t9 or some other piece of triumph gear. I think I have decided to keep the t8/t9 mix going for now. So I would either buy the t9 pants or something else. I was really looking at buying the chest and breaking the t8 bonus because it had extra crit, but from what you have said it seems I will do better keeping my double bonus active.

Any other ideas/hints/suggestions?

And do any chickens of doom use Talisman of Resurgence? I use Illustration and the Focus Stone now.

Thanks! :)

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Chicken haste -- when is it too much?

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