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Post by
RuiEn
just finished a ulduar run with my guild and just happened to check out the WWS.
i noticed that after the ulduar run has ended, my recount shows that i'm top of the healing chart and i have check every boss fight, most of the time i top the chart, but in WWS, it shows that i'm 2nd.
Just want to get things right cause my previous guild don't have any wws so just want to learn abit...
WWS is more accurate than recount right?
Will the recount tally with the wws or maybe there is a slight difference?
Effective Heal means the heal you made on the person?
Thanks in advance.
Post by
loozerr
If you want accuracy, a WWS parsed from
multiple
combat logs is your best bet.
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Post by
Celdhyrean
Overheal is the only reliable tool to keep MT alive, especially on hard hitting bosses.
Orly? you seem to be not informed about how HoT's help to minimalize huge spikes.
As a druid with rolling HoT's and Nourish spam on MT I can keep him alive just fine, while my overhealing is 3x or even 4x smaller than pally's.Who cares about that ? A paladin MT without overheal is a bad paladin healer. Don't try to compare things that can't be compared and you won't start stupid debates like that.
Healing meters aren't a good measure of wether you are a good healer or not, wether effective healing, overhealing or whatever. They can help to detect a problem with a healer, but you have to take healing attributions, how the fight went, wether the dps were good or stupid with damage intake and a lot of other things into account in order to make a good analysis.
The first criteria is : if your targets are alive at the end, then you did a good job. If they died, maybe it's their fault and maybe it's yours. Depends.
Post by
RuiEn
-,- guys chill...
ok last nite had a run again, this time almost every boss, i have checked my recount together with my friend (both of our values tally) and i top 9/10 of the boss fight..
My friend is a dps class and yes the recount and wws both show he's top
STRANGELY, when i go over to my guild wws i was 2nd again -.-
Shaman:
Eff. Heal - 17 270 003
% Heal (% of raid effective heal) - 22%
Overheal: 31%
Priest:
Eff. Heal 12 892 793
% Heal (% of raid effective heal) - 16%
Overheal: 23%
zzzz my point for this thread is just want to find out why is the wws different from recount. so does that mean that the values u getting from recount is different from wws?
any chance the wws maybe inaccurate?
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Post by
Celdhyrean
zzzz my point for this thread is just want to find out why is the wws different from recount. so does that mean that the values u getting from recount is different from wws?
any chance the wws maybe inaccurate?Might help if you gave us more data to compare, or told us what you are actually comparing. As has been said, wws and recount take the info from the same source, the combat log, ie they are both as accurate. The question would be wether they compute some things differently, or wether you are actually looking at the same thing or whatever.
I can't answer it like that because i don't watch healing meters that precisely and haven't any such recount report at hand.
Print screen your Recount values for boss fights (with the screen telling you what abilities healed for what) and check the same boss fight on the WWS (easy with the split function), and see where the mismatch is.
Do the same for the shamans recount report, if your values are all the same then the mismatch is on shaman abilities somehow.
Post by
pelf
There are SO many things that go into calculating numbers with those things that the margin of error can be significant at times. A few examples:
Simple calculation of the activity window by which to divide damage or healing.
In order to calculate damage
per second
it has to figure out how many seconds the segment was comprised of. Does it just use combat boundaries? Does it only select begin and end based on actual activity from the actors? It goes on.
Attribution of heals such as Lifebloom or Prayer of Mending which, when the heal goes off, are attributed to the person
on
whom the buff was cast.
Recount and other in-game mods (plus, perhaps, some of the out-of-game parsers) will use some mojo to determine where to attribute those heals. They will try to link up the CAST and AURA events to make a link between the person casting the spell and the person receiving it so they can correctly attribute them back when they activate. Tracking a PoM as it jumps from player to player can be done in a lot of ways and you can be sure none of them do it exactly the same.
Absorbs being correctly attributed and counted as healing.
Tracking absorbs is a nightmare because Blizzard doesn't indicate
what
spell absorbed an attack. At any given time, a player could have any number of shield effects active. The combat log simply lists an absorb count in the incoming damage event. There's a lot of mojo that can be done to attempt to divine which absorbs took what. I won't go into some of the possibilities, but they are many.
There are many more intricacies of how parsing can vary. Those are just some examples. I wouldn't worry about variations in numbers. Just pick a meter you like and base your information on that one. While nobody but Blizzard could provide us with a meter that is
accurate
, any one of these meters is (hopefully) at least
consistent
. If they're consistent, they can still provide useful data.
Post by
Ethix
WWS does
not
distinguish between you being in combat and being out of combat. It logs everything. I noticed this when divine hymn was not very good or timely. I would use it to heal people after wipes from 50%, and it showed up at like 14% of my total healing on WWS. Recount had me in 3rd, and then WWS had me placed in 2nd
I'm always fairly certain that the healing from PoM is now correctly attributed. Absorbs clearly are not, but there's a mod for recount and Skada that counts them. Not sure if they're 100% accurate.
Just for comparisons sake, Skada and recount always show different numbers (especially for dps). I use Skada for it's lighter memory use and often see different results that from the recount people link in chat.
Post by
Interest
I personally don't really care about accuracy.
Can't say much though...since I really just use Recount as a stupidity checker.
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