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Post by
GenXCub
Saw this on mmo-champion yesterday, who is just linking from PC Gamer UK.
* Garrosh is confirmed to be the new leader of the Horde. He has redesigned Orgrimmar and the Taurens and Orcs are the only races allowed in the center of the city because they're the only ones strong enough to defend it.
* The Ruins of Lordaeron / Undercity will be expanded with a pit opening into the Undercity.
* Zoram'gar Outpost in Ashenvale will be changed to a Warsong Hold style base.
* Stranglethorn will be the most altered zone.
* Apparently Southshore wasn't retaken by the horde (it was mentioned during Blizzcon) but has succumbed to tidal waves.
* The new raids will be more like Naxxramas than Sartharion. (Probably means that we won't get one-room / one-boss raids this time)
* There are a few extra details on the lore behind the Goblins and Worgens starting zones, just check WoW.com's Article for that.
Oy, really? I mean really?
Post by
Adamsm
Here.
Post by
Skreeran
*cough*here*cough*
Wrong thread, silly.
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah I just fixed it.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Oy, really? I mean really?
Yup, really. Garrosh finally shows himself for the bastard he is, making the new horde into the old old again, and forever smudge's his fathers name after Groms sacrifice.
Post by
Rankkor
funny though, in nagrand back when he was just the emo-suicide kiddo of greatmother geiyah, he said so himself that he didn't wanted to become the second hellscream to damn the orcs.
and that's exactly what he's done.
the orcs went from a noble honorable society, to a vicious frenzyed bloodthirsty pack of beasts thanks to kil'jaeden, then became emo-depressed-broken husks, thanks to losing the war, and severing their conections to the demons, then became once more a noble honorable society (as always with a few horrible individuals) thanks to thrall, and now they became frenzyed bloodthirsty ones again thanks to garrosh.
you know, I wound't be as angry as I am about this change if blizz at least had the decency to provide a proper background for garrosh, so that we can sort of know were all that rage comes from, not to justify him, mind u, but to at least know why he does what he does.
he harbors an intence hatred for both the humans and the alliance, even when 1 year ago he did't even knew who the hell are they.
that's just messed up
needless to say that if I ever find myself on a street and I see the (sarcasm) genius (/sarcasm) who tought that this was a good change, and I have on my hands any type of fruit I'll just trow it out to him or her.
GIVE US OUR WARCHIEF BACK
Post by
cxnecroxc
funny though, in nagrand back when he was just the emo-suicide kiddo of greatmother geiyah, he said so himself that he didn't wanted to become the second hellscream to damn the orcs.
and that's exactly what he's done.
the orcs went from a noble honorable society, to a vicious frenzyed bloodthirsty pack of beasts thanks to kil'jaeden, then became emo-depressed-broken husks, thanks to losing the war, and severing their conections to the demons, then became once more a noble honorable society (as always with a few horrible individuals) thanks to thrall, and now they became frenzyed bloodthirsty ones again thanks to garrosh.
you know, I wound't be as angry as I am about this change if blizz at least had the decency to provide a proper background for garrosh, so that we can sort of know were all that rage comes from, not to justify him, mind u, but to at least know why he does what he does.
he harbors an intence hatred for both the humans and the alliance, even when 1 year ago he did't even knew who the hell are they.
that's just messed up
needless to say that if I ever find myself on a street and I see the (sarcasm) genius (/sarcasm) who tought that this was a good change, and I have on my hands any type of fruit I'll just trow it out to him or her.
GIVE US OUR WARCHIEF BACK
hehe, yea i can kinda understand what you mean.. i personally kinda dont want a wet behind the ears, hot headed, act before you think kinda of child of an Orc being the Warchief
Now maybe Drek'thar moving from Leader of Frostwolf Clan(formerly Thralls job) to being the Warchief and maybe Capt. Galv becoming the new Leader of Frostwolf, or hell Varok Saurfang becoming new Orc-ish Leader
i really dont want a young kid who acts before he thinks being the Warcheif, if you've sat with him and Varok in Warsong Hold and heared then talk you could easily see why i say Garrosh is not a good choice
*not exact quotes but more like paraphrasing or w/e*
Hell:We are surrounded by Enemies on all sides we need to strike
Fang:Chill out, Young Hellscream, we have to come up with a plan and keep communication open with our ally's
Hell:You are weak old man
*yadda yadda with that crap*
Post by
Skreeran
I think I might actually have another explanation for Garrosh's behavior.
He's tired of being too weak to be the warrior his father was. In Beyond the Dark Portal, Kargath goes to the Mag'har to recruit them (against the Alliance), and Garrosh comes out and ends up throwing up from the red pox. Geyah says "Are these the warriors you want?"out of sarcasm, and Kargath responds that they aren't warriors and should do the orcish race a favour and die like the weaklings they are.
This may have really resonated with Garrosh, so that as soon as he found his father wasn't the evil orc who doomed the race that he tought he was, and thus, making him feel ashamed that he cannot live up to his legacy as a warrior.
So, he takes it upon himself to attack the Alliance, the same Alliance that he was too weak to fight before, so that he can prove himself as a warrior.
Post by
cxnecroxc
i can simpathize with that but...
would a the future leader of a large force willingly run out without knowing anything about the enemy except they are all around you?
ok for ex.
Garrosh decides to attack Valience Keep, he has not enough info on the Alliance Forces there he takes say 500 soldiers they rush in and well looks like the alliance have over 1500 soldiers but were about to send 500 icecrown and 300 to Wintergarde Keep,. so this future leader of the Horde sent 500 soldiers to a 3 ally:1 horde slughterfest,
my whole prob with this guy is he cant even control his emotions enough to use logic, even in nagrand(garadar) he was the same, he lacks all capability to be a leader, his own Mag'har ppl in Garadar were hinting he was not and is not fit to be a leader
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Post by
Skreeran
I just love how the Horde is going to their old more agressive ways will be very much fun playing itOf course, it gives you an excuse to kill us all.
I've seen you defending Varian... >.>
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325248
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Post by
Morec0
Although I don't like the idea that Alliance and Horde are fighting each other while Burnign Legion/Scourge/Deathwing/ect. rains down death on their heads, I have to say, it makes for great lore.
Post by
cxnecroxc
Garrosh is son of Grom Hellscream
Thrall is "little brother(best friend and former chief advisor)" of Grom Hellscream
so Thrall owns Grom Hellscream's son for his fathers bravery?
Thrall can no longer be Warchief so he passes it to Garrosh.
but why pass it to Hellscream when his Best Friend and current closest Advisor Saur or his Clan Member and Teacher Drek'thar both of which he knows better and knows can fulfill the job
i mean both Saurfang and Drek'thar have both played big parts in the lore of wow and both have in my opinion earned a shot at being new Warchief
but Why Garrosh just because he died Freeing the Orcs from Burning Legion, i know thats major props to Grom but what did Garrosh do to help? except i guess he did help out Geyah who is thralls grandmother.
other than Grom dieing for all orcs and Garrosh helping Geyah thru he aliment i find no reason Garrosh deserves the title Warchief of the New Horde
who wants to discuss?
to add to this Rumors are that Jaina Proudmoore will help alliance thru Icecrown Citadel, now if Garrosh some how becomes the Horde Equiv to her in ICC to destroy The Lich King i may change my tune but until then i see no reason seeing as WotLK is about half over i have not seen him prove his worth of being Thralls Successor
Post by
taurenmoo812
Thrall can no longer be Warchief so he passes it to Garrosh.
I'm getting so fed up of seeing people say something like this.
Why as the opinion formed that Thrall will forever leave his people, who he has lead all this time. Its a common fact amoung the orcs that the only way a warchief gains that title is because the previous warchief is either killed, or dies and passes lead to another.
As the situation goes Thrall will most likely give lead to Garrosh, because he can't lead his people and battle the elemental lords at once... but with the implication that Garrosh will do someone so unforgiveable that it calls for his death, why does everyone assume Thrall wouldn't return as warchief? Because of that rubbish about guardian of tirisfal?
Thrall is my warchief, and the reason it does proud to serve under that banner is because of who he is as a character. And he's also younger then any other leader, not some old leader like cairne or vol'jin or slyvanas, so why would people assume he was stepping down like as if he was to old for the job?
The whole point of the horde is that its known as the 'noble savages', being doing noble acts but with a very rough and sometimes down and dirty approch to it.
Garrosh wants to take out the noble part of this and just make the horde 'savage', plan and simple. And it really isn't as cool and some people think it is.
Post by
Arkham
Garrosh wants to take out the noble part of this and just make the horde 'savage', plan and simple. And it really isn't as cool and some people think it is.Matter of opinion.
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383613
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Garrosh wants to take out the noble part of this and just make the horde 'savage', plan and simple. And it really isn't as cool and some people think it is.Matter of opinion.
Matter of fact
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