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Post by
morginar
When your thrones run red with betrayal.
This seems to mean someone in the alliance.
The horde version doesn't link the she with the wicked one. Whilst clearly talking about sylvanas. My interpitation is like, "How's my old boss doing, did she do shady stuff. Also you're all gonna die."
Though dreadlord. Not the most trustworthy bunch, they make politicians speak truth in comparison. similar to Il'gynoth.
It's also interesting that alleria in a rather blood elf like fashion takes up void powers. The void model seems to be her new cooldown. No news if Sylvanas is in the patch, though she is refereed by veressa, and that doesn't seem to go well. Sadly.
Though rank, wasn't garrosh sort of influenced by the sha? Think it was a tweet that said garry turned more prideful, doubtful etc because sha, hence he turned 50 shades darker.
Post by
Stabhorn
Personally I think someone is talking to Anduin about Jaina betraying them, hopefully about her betraying the Alliance.
I also hate that Illidan is going to get his redemption and that Xe'ra really was completely pointless.
Also, also, does anyone else hate the fact that we seemingly aren't going to fight Sargeras? Sure, we can go toe-to-toe with the other Titans, but not the one who is arguably the main villain in the WoW franchise...
Post by
Rankkor
Well, MMO-C provided context to the lines I linked above.
They ARE talking about the alliance, not the horde. That line was delivered by Varimathras to alliance heroes. The horde version is completely different, instead saying: "So, she found me at last. Sent her underlings to finish the job. Tell me, when she seized your throne of hides and bones, was your allegiance forced? No... I'd wager you surrendered it willingly... or were convinced you did."
Though dreadlord. Not the most trustworthy bunch
Good point. Anything said by a dreadlord has to be taken with a tiny pinch of salt, because their main shtick is lies, manipulation, mind games etc. I'm just saying, he points at someone within the alliance betraying them. Someone female. And then armor with the Kul Tiras map and insignia are datamined and labeled as "Kul Tiras Quest Gear". The signs are there.
Though rank, wasn't garrosh sort of influenced by the sha?
Based on how he behaves, and speaks (Specially his final lines as he transitions to the last phase), one would think that yes, he was the puppet of the old gods. But blizzard maintained down to the bitter end that no, he was not under the sway of the old gods, he was in full control of his mental faculties and every single action he took was taken willingly and of his own accord.
Also, also, does anyone else hate the fact that we seemingly aren't going to fight Sargeras? Sure, we can go toe-to-toe with the other Titans, but not the one who is arguably the main villain in the WoW franchise...
I've made my stance regarding Illiboi and his whitewashing more than enough times that its not worth repeating it again.
As for your other point, well......... disappointing yes, but also innevitable. Do remember that Sargeras still lacks a physical body. Broxigar destroyed it when he distracted the titan while he was mid-way through the well of eternity. When the portal was closed in while he was still half-way through, his physical body was destroyed. Getting him a new body proved problematic as its not easy to find vessels capable of holding his full might (medivh had a fragment of his cosmic power and even that was pushing it).
They tried to make the corpse of Illiboi his new host in Nighthold, but as that fell through, there aren't exactly many other options left. And if there were suitable candidates elsewhere in the cosmos, one would think they wouldn't bother trying to make Azeroth their plan A.
Fighting someone that lacks a physical body would be clunky to implement, so instead we fight a proxy empowered by sargeras, rather than the man himself.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Getting him a new body proved problematic as its not easy to find vessels capable of holding his full might (medivh had a fragment of his cosmic power and even that was pushing it).
Maybe that was the whole plan with the Titan's corpses. I mean, what could be better?
Post by
morginar
Getting him a new body proved problematic as its not easy to find vessels capable of holding his full might (medivh had a fragment of his cosmic power and even that was pushing it).
Maybe that was the whole plan with the Titan's corpses. I mean, what could be better?
Maybe sargeras wanted to make a mount from them as we saw with the draenei.
Post by
Adamsm
Honestly, I don't think Sargeras lacks a body at this point; he has had more then enough time to rebuild/recreate a brand new one. I just want to know how we are meant to kill something that is a 'world soul'; I mean, when Marvel does it, they have the Celestials hatch out of the planet with a physical form. They still haven't explained anything on what the Titan's actually look like; everything we've seen so far have been Avatars. So unless we are using the Exodar or some other Naaru ship's pewpew cannons, what the hell are we actually fighting when it comes to Sargeras?
Post by
Rankkor
Honestly, I don't think Sargeras lacks a body at this point; he has had more then enough time to rebuild/recreate a brand new one.
Nope. If he could recreate a new body, there would have been no need to grab the body of Illidan. The whole point of Gul'dan taking his corpse to the nighthold was explicitly stated to be so that Illidan could become the new body of Sargeras.
The fact that we don't fight Sargeras at all, showcases that he still lacks a body, and we simply find a way to contain his soul or otherwise destroy his incorporeal form.
Getting him a new body proved problematic as its not easy to find vessels capable of holding his full might (medivh had a fragment of his cosmic power and even that was pushing it).
Maybe that was the whole plan with the Titan's corpses. I mean, what could be better?
This is what confuses me the most. If there was ANY other option, why would they make "Put sargeras' soul into illidan's body" the plan A? That's just stupid.
Getting Illidan's body entails invading azeroth again, and risk defeat (This being the one world that has made it a habit to repel their invasions multiple times), but if putting sargeras' soul into the corpses of the other titans was feasible and doable, why not just do that from the start? We would be completely unaware of it happening, unable to stop it, and its guaranteed to succeed, whereas invading azeroth and taking the body of illidan involves far more risk and possibility of defeat.
Edit: I dunno. Either I'm getting more nitpicky in my old age, or blizzard's writing is just taking a nosedive.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
Honestly, I don't think Sargeras lacks a body at this point; he has had more then enough time to rebuild/recreate a brand new one.
Nope. If he could recreate a new body, there would have been no need to grab the body of Illidan. The whole point of Gul'dan taking his corpse to the nighthold was explicitly stated to be so that Illidan could become the new body of Sargeras.
The fact that we don't fight Sargeras at all, showcases that he still lacks a body, and we simply find a way to contain his soul or otherwise destroy his incorporeal form.Eh, I don't know, since Medivh had a portion of Sargeras in him, and not the entire being, I could see them turning Illidan into a new Avatar as opposed to an actual 'new' form...I mean really, even with fel warping, why would Sargeras want a scrawny half elf demon as his new permanent form?
To be honest, it seems more like War of the Ancients, the Trilogy, has been made non-canon, just like how most of the other early books have since the Chronicles came out. So while some things happened, others didn't, such as the idea of Sargeras having his body 'broken'...because that still makes no sense.
Edit: I dunno. Either I'm getting more nitpicky in my old age, or blizzard's writing is just taking a nosedive.
It is; some things in Legion have been good, others have been meh, and it does seem like Xe'ra was a red herring and not actually important.
Post by
Stabhorn
Personally I thought Illidan was a body so that Sargeras could easily enter Azeroth. I mean, after 10k years, I think he could find another suitable host to hold all of his power. That just can't step through a portal easily. Heck, why not use Argus?
Post by
Rankkor
To be honest, it seems more like War of the Ancients, the Trilogy, has been made non-canon
Doubtful. In that retch-inducing quest-chain that details the past of Illidan, when you're doing the bit set during the war of the ancients, Ronin and Broxigar are there. So their time-traveling shenannigans with Krasus are still canon.
Eh, I don't know, since Medivh had a portion of Sargeras in him, and not the entire being, I could see them turning Illidan into a new Avatar as opposed to an actual 'new' form.
I can't recall where exactly I saw it, I'll try to look it up to link it, but I saw somewhere that they specifically said that Illidan would be the new vessel, something about his half-demon nature making him more suitable as a host to Sargeras, than a mere human (Which would explain why they didn't try with Khadgar or something)
Xe'ra was a red herring and not actually important.
Yes and no. She was the Deus Ex Machina used to whitewash him from a demented mass murderer into a misunderstood anti-hero. Her sole purpose was exclusively to berate us for killing him, and lavishing praise upon him as "The Chosen One".
Post by
Stabhorn
I think I know how we are going to defeat the Legion.
Velen and the Titans will seal off the Twisting Nether. Since the majority of Legion forces, and all conquered worlds, are in the Nether, it will effectively capture maybe as much as 90% of the Legion. With Sargeras imprisoned, the demons won't have a way to break free, just like when they were trapped on Mardum. Now, since Argus is in the Nether, there's always a chance that the Legion will try to break him free, but they might not be willing to throw themselves onto the blades of the Illidari and risk permanent death.
This makes the most logical sense to me, and it would admittedly be better than the demons all dying phantom-menace style at the end. Still, I kinda hope Blizz comes up with a solution to the Legion that's a bit more creative. (I've read some theories that will take out their ability to reincarnate, but even if so, there will still be hundreds of thousands of demons left alive.)
Post by
Adamsm
Honestly...we can't 'defeat' the Legion; as long as Fel magic exists, the Demons will always have a toe hold in the Deep Dark, able to invade new worlds. Sargeras was the 'focus' of the Burning Crusade, but before he realized the 'truth' of the Universe, even though he was night invulnerable, immortal and unstoppable, he still had to resort to locking the Demons away because he couldn't wipe them out.
With the Fallen Titan gone, all that's going to happen is the Legion will splinter into thousands of smaller groups, and they'll continue to attack the world for as long as Blizzard needs demons and a reason to 'justify' the Alliance and Horde Warlocks and Demon Hunters. Could even be a civil war among the demonic races, since we see the 'holy' Dreadlord(good *!@#ing goddess that still makes me cringe to say it) willing to fight against his own kind.
The Legion will still be the Legion next expac...they are just going to be eclipsed(ha ha punny) by the Void Lords finally taking center stage to bring Void to all existence.
Edit: It's 'funny' though, all that build up that the Army of Light was meant to fight against the Legion...and it hasn't really been around. Bet the next expac a random McGuffin will show up saying that the true purpose of the Army of Light is to take down the Void Lords.
Post by
Rankkor
Eh, I don't know, since Medivh had a portion of Sargeras in him, and not the entire being, I could see them turning Illidan into a new Avatar as opposed to an actual 'new' form.
I can't recall where exactly I saw it, I'll try to look it up to link it, but I saw somewhere that they specifically said that Illidan would be the new vessel, something about his half-demon nature making him more suitable as a host to Sargeras, than a mere human (Which would explain why they didn't try with Khadgar or something)
And
found it
. I knew I saw it somewhere that they planned to make Illidan the new host of Sargeras' soul somewhere. I just couldn't put my finger where exactly was it that I saw it.
Post by
morginar
Sneaky little diamond dwarf came with a quest today...
Post by
Adamsm
Sneaky little diamond dwarf came with a quest today...
/head desk
Sooooooooo, we'll beat the Legion on Argus, and then come back to find the Void Lords have conquered Azeroth.
Post by
morginar
Eyup, seems like.
Post by
Adamsm
Bleh, so much rush.
Post by
morginar
Are they wrapping up the warcraft universe or something?
Cuz they are gonna run out of villains soon.
Post by
Adamsm
Seems like they are trying to if they are jumping right into the Void Lords following Sargeras.
Post by
morginar
Yea, like the last old god is less threatening than kil'j, and the old gods haven't been last tier material. So, yea. void tier inc.
But what's to follow?
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