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Post by
Rankkor
He could barely prop himself and was, quite literally, coming apart at the seams. I'd be honestly annoyed if he could do more after the beating he got.
This.
Eredar are not pitlords. And pretending that they are, would be more annoying IMO.
Me, I think Kil'jaeden just succumbed to despair. After seeing everything that transpired, and even confessing that he only followed sargeras because he truly believed he could no be stopped, seeing the raid group doing the impossible finally broke him, literally and metaphorically.
Also, as was mentioned before, Kil'jaeden is not a savage brute like Archimonde. Maybe in his final minutes he had an epiphany. "If these mortals could beat me, when I'm at my strongest point, despite all the lavish gifts that sargeras has bestowed upon me, maybe, just maybe, they can beat him as well". It serves to humanize him a little bit, and make him come off as less of a cartoonish saturday morning baddie.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Stabhorn
He could barely prop himself and was, quite literally, coming apart at the seams. I'd be honestly annoyed if he could do more after the beating he got.
This.
Eredar are not pitlords. And pretending that they are, would be more annoying IMO.
Me, I think Kil'jaeden just succumbed to despair. After seeing everything that transpired, and even confessing that he only followed sargeras because he truly believed he could no be stopped, seeing the raid group doing the impossible finally broke him, literally and metaphorically.
Also, as was mentioned before, Kil'jaeden is not a savage brute like Archimonde. Maybe in his final minutes he had an epiphany. "If these mortals could beat me, when I'm at my strongest point, despite all the lavish gifts that sargeras has bestowed upon me, maybe, just maybe, they can beat him as well". It serves to humanize him a little bit, and make him come off as less of a cartoonish saturday morning baddie.
This. This exactly. There's soooo much potential with these characters, and they did a really good job of showing KJ's struggles, beliefs and goals in his final moments. I just wish the rest of the Broken Shore and ToS raid told any sort of cohesive story at all. KJ did not deserve to be the final boss of such a stupid, pointless arc, especially after the story Gul'dan headed in Suramar.
Post by
Adamsm
Meh, considering that KJ corrupted the Orcs as pawns to wipe out the Draenei, specifically to finish off Velen...it seems like a waste to have him go passively.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Meh, considering that KJ corrupted the Orcs as pawns to wipe out the Draenei, specifically to finish off Velen...it seems like a waste to have him go passively.
Passively is a bit much, considering how hard we had to work to off him. He wasn't exactly conflicted during that fight. Only after he lost.
Post by
Adamsm
Meh, considering that KJ corrupted the Orcs as pawns to wipe out the Draenei, specifically to finish off Velen...it seems like a waste to have him go passively.
Passively is a bit much, considering how hard we had to work to off him. He wasn't exactly conflicted during that fight. Only after he lost.
Yes I know he fights hard, but it's still kinda meh to the 'last' major commander of the Legion.
Post by
Stabhorn
Meh, considering that KJ corrupted the Orcs as pawns to wipe out the Draenei, specifically to finish off Velen...it seems like a waste to have him go passively.
Passively is a bit much, considering how hard we had to work to off him. He wasn't exactly conflicted during that fight. Only after he lost.
Yes I know he fights hard, but it's still kinda meh to the 'last' major commander of the Legion.
On that point, I do agree with you. We even see him physically in the Tomb, resurrecting the Avatar. Why on this ever-loving earth did he go into the Nether? He even says that the Avatar wasn't the real plan, so what was he trying to accomplish?
Post by
Stabhorn
Wait a second...is Outland in the Twisting Nether?
Post by
Adamsm
Sorta; it's half there half not. When the planet went ka-boom, the energies released tore open existence and put it half in and half out; that's why you have the weird floating rocks and the like because of the corruption from the Nether affecting it and why the area around the floating landmass looks the way it does.
Post by
Stabhorn
If that's the case, shouldn't Illidan be perma-dead then? The Black Temple has to be close to one of this rifts, since you can see Azeroth. And we've had demons die without being in the Nether, so long as they're close or surrounded by fel. (Like Rakeesh)
Post by
Adamsm
Eh...it's never been proven that it's actually Azeroth in the sky; I know a lot of people say it is, but Blizzard hasn't done so. But Illidan didn't die because 'he has an immortal soul' as opposed to being a demon /roll eyes Make a DH and die and he'll comment about that.
Post by
Stabhorn
So, besides the demons of Mardum, have any actually died? The only one I can think of is Socrethar the Not-So-Eternal, but that's only because his death-quote implies it.
Also, would Illidan be permanent-dead if he dies in the Nether?
How do you think this whole respawn thing works? I don't think it's time based, because Azgalor died after Mannoroth, yet the former is present at the Broken Shore while the latter is not.
Not so far; even the ones on Mardum aren't actually gone. For Illidan, as seen when a demon hunter dies, he talks to you about the fact that you have an immortal soul like just he does...and then tells you to get back in your corpse :P
I remember this though. Was it confirmed Mardum is in the Nether now? Otherwise I just assumed that no demon can die there, including Illy and his DHs. (Side note, I just checked, and you can pretty clearly see Kalimdor, the Eastern Kingdoms, and the Maelstrom on that planet above BT.)
Post by
Adamsm
We warped there so who knows..but it's also Blizzard who plays fast and loose with things all the time.But to be fair, we still haven't seen the demons from that place since so it could be perma death area. But again, since it out right says that Illy and some of the demon hunters have immortal souls, they obviously don't work on the same logic that a demon does. Plus, we're seeing Outland demons back so it can't completely be in the Nether.
Post by
Stabhorn
We warped there so who knows..but it's also Blizzard who plays fast and loose with things all the time.But to be fair, we still haven't seen the demons from that place since so it could be perma death area. But again, since it out right says that Illy and some of the demon hunters have immortal souls, they obviously don't work on the same logic that a demon does. Plus, we're seeing Outland demons back so it can't completely be in the Nether.
Are we? Kazzak only came back on Drae- oh right, because stupid all Legions are one crap. Wonder where Magtheridon is? Also, I'm pretty sure Immortal only means they're immune to biological decay. Look at Kil'jaeden and Archimonde; they're the pictures of health, while Velen is very clearly showing the signs of 25k years of life. I'd wager being unable to die in all realities but one makes you a good candidate for immortality. However, as you said, Blizz has a hard time making up their minds as to how this works. Archimonde and Illidan are prime examples :/
Post by
morginar
Theory, is Bolvar acting very lich kingy because of yogg-sarron? We saw him in Yoggs mind. The killing of red dragons would be something sarron would like.
And we did see Ulduar having a old god problem in the quest line to portal Dalaran.
Post by
Adamsm
How? We lobotomized the Beast of Many Mouths and they resealed It's prison after we were done; that's why you get Titan followers as a Warrior.
Post by
morginar
Though how come it had tentacles during the quest line about the diamond dwarf there?
And I'm more suggesting that the damage was done during wrath, they have been able to use their influence even when sealed like deathwing in war of the ancients (also in yoggs mind)
Post by
Adamsm
I don't recall those being labeled as actual Yogg tentacles; could have just been Faceless tentacles that were used. And we were up against the Legion there when we were escorting Magni.
Honestly, I think it's the Helm itself; if anything is corrupting him, it could be the shade of Ner'zhul causing it since his soul was sealed into the armour of the Damned and while Rise of the Lich King says the Lich King killed Ner'zhul....we saw that undone in Wrath with that stupid 'the last piece of Arthas goodness was holding him back the entire time' and the moronic 'There must always be a Lich King' ass pull. We'll end up against Bolvar Lich King 2.0 at some point, but that's just because Blizzard recycles everything.
Post by
morginar
Yea, that too is a rather strong possibility. Though if it's Yogg, maybe we will raid yogg sarron, again. And it's going to sound as if it was planed all along becouse we looked into yoggs mind, then we kill garona, just to be sure.
Though when Bolvar is a raidboss, will Arthas come there and ress us? (Though that would mean Sylvanas afterlife isn't the shadowlands but frostmorne or something.)
Post by
Adamsm
I'd rather we finally face down N'Zoth; maybe It was It's servants that tried to stop Magni back then or something. But, more then likely after Argus, we'll be heading out into the Deep Dark to take down the actual Void Lords and whatever long game the Naaru who says Illidan is the prophesized champion of Light is playing and they'll completely ignore anything else on Azeroth.
Post by
Rankkor
I don't recall those being labeled as actual Yogg tentacles; could have just been Faceless tentacles that were used. And we were up against the Legion there when we were escorting Magni.
Honestly, I think it's the Helm itself; if anything is corrupting him, it could be the shade of Ner'zhul causing it since his soul was sealed into the armour of the Damned and while Rise of the Lich King says the Lich King killed Ner'zhul....we saw that undone in Wrath with that stupid 'the last piece of Arthas goodness was holding him back the entire time' and the moronic 'There must always be a Lich King' ass pull. We'll end up against Bolvar Lich King 2.0 at some point, but that's just because Blizzard recycles everything.
Don't forget that during the acquisition of the Frost Artifact, we also see that the spirit of Ner'zhul is still very much around, and attempted to overtake us (The playable DK) during the quest. I'm willing to bet good money that his spirit is just infused in every single part of the metallic pieces inside the frozen throne. Armor, Helmet, Sword, all of it had the spirit of Ner'zhul, and so long as one wields even one of them, they're susceptible to corruption.
We playable DKs overcame his influence during the reforging of the blades, but there's a non-zero chance of bolvar succumbing over time. Specially since I'd also be willing to bet a larger portion of Ner'zhul's spirit resides in the helm than anywhere else.
I'd rather we finally face down N'Zoth; maybe It was It's servants that tried to stop Magni back then or something. But, more then likely after Argus, we'll be heading out into the Deep Dark to take down the actual Void Lords and whatever long game the Naaru who says Illidan is the prophesized champion of Light is playing and they'll completely ignore anything else on Azeroth.
Also, this would be underwhelming, as there are still some loose ends on azeroth we gotta take care of. Azshara, and N'zoth being but 2 out of many (There's still the fate of Zandalar, Kul'tiras, Tel'abim, etc)(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
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