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Post by
oneforthemoney
Wait, if the Titan wakes up, will Azeroth be destroyed?
What if the Titan's are actually large enough to still function as planets? So a living, moving Titan Azeroth would still support all of its life, with the moons still orbiting around it?
Apparently Titans are actually Primus.
Post by
Adamsm
So does that make Sargeras Unicron?
As for if it wakes up...I'd say yes, since the world becomes it's body.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Titans!
More than meets the eyes.
Titans!
Planets in disguise!
Post by
Rankkor
whoa whoa whoa whoa, hold up.........
Didn't Chronicles said that Azeroth was dead? that the well of eternity is such a strong source of power because its the literal blood of azeroth that has been bleeding from a wound done during the first ordering?
And now that I think about it.............. the pantheon is dead. They're dead when they tried to talk Sargeras down from his rampage. Saying that they found a Titan strong enough to take down the Void Lords. The planet in question being Azeroth. But they already were in Azeroth, even created the sentries, the vrykul, the watchers, the many cities (Uldum, Uldaman, Ulduar, etc).
You're telling me, that they went to azeroth already, and didn't know it was a titan? only to later realize from far away that it was, and then be killed before they could wake her up?
its like answering questions with more questions.
X_X
Post by
Skreeran
So Azeroth was the romantic plot tumor all along!
Post by
Atik
It all makes sense!
Thrall must travel to Azeroth's core and awaken her with true loves kiss! Then we get a poorly animated cutscene of the titan forming and one-shotting Sargeras.
Post by
Adamsm
No, the Well is what is left after Aman'Thal reached down from the sky and ripped Y'Shaarj off the world to kill it. And Azeroth still lives as it was another world soul that Sargeras found corrupted by the Void Lords.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Wasn't it that he was afraid it would be corrupted? I thought it wasn't corrupted yet, and the titans argued that the soul in Azeroth would turn out to be powerful enough to challenge the void lords.
Post by
Adamsm
It was Aggramar who found it and then went back to the Pantheon to show them that Sargeras was right; they did the whole Ordering thing and then when Sargeras went back about the world soul he destroyed that sparked the war.
Post by
Adamsm
Also picked up the Illidan book; it's not a bad plot like Tides of War and War Crimes...but dear goddess is it boring. It's nice to see the lead up to BC but really, the Demon Hunter stuff is lame with a view point character who has no real character beyond 'demons killed my family'. The Maiev storyline is meh, and while Illidan is still the arrogant arse hat he is always is, he's boooooooooooooooooooooooring to read.
Post by
Atik
Also picked up the Illidan book; it's not a bad plot like Tides of War and War Crimes...but dear goddess is it boring. It's nice to see the lead up to BC but really, the Demon Hunter stuff is lame with a view point character who has no real character beyond 'demons killed my family'. The Maiev storyline is meh, and while Illidan is still the arrogant arse hat he is always is, he's boooooooooooooooooooooooring to read.
Wait...
"YOU. ARE NOT. PREPARED!" "FEEL THE FURY OF TEN THOUSAND YEARS!" Yadda yadda, absolutely ham-fisted edginess to make Shadow the Hedgehog blush?
They made that boring?
I'm... sort of impressed...
Post by
Adamsm
Even the action scenes are boring; no sense of tension for any of the fights with Emo-king and Maiev cause you know, forgone conclusion and all that jazz, but the view point character's fight is boring too: He got in a battle with a berserker demon hunter initiate and they talked about heavy blows and yada yada and all that and I was yawning through it.
Post by
Rankkor
Even the action scenes are boring; no sense of tension for any of the fights with Emo-king and Maiev cause you know, forgone conclusion and all that jazz
That can't be the only reason. You greatly enjoyed the fight scenes of Vol'jin in Shadows of the Horde, even though the foregone conclusion effect was just as present there, since the book was released after 5.3, thus we already knew Vol'jin and Chen would survive the events of the book.
Well, after 10 years since their introduction, FINALLY I've heard a Naaru speak. (its amazing that even though several Naaru have had lengthy dialog scenes, none of them were voice-acted).
I'm actually disappointed. A lot of muss and fuzz has been made on how their voice sounds like music, "harmonious and melodic chimes that sounds alien and inhumane". This has been repeated several times on the few quests were we speak with a Naaru.
I finally hear one speak, and they have a completely normal human voice.
No alteration, no modulation, no distortion, no reverberation, no echo, no modification of any kind. For the longest time, whenever I read the lines of a naaru, both in the game, and in books, I imagined their voices sounding like
The Occuria of Final Fantasy 12
. You can imagine my disappointment, when I finally hear one speak, and she sounds perfectly normal. Even orcs sound more alien than the naaru. At least they have a deep growling voice.
I sincerely hope that voice is a placeholder and the special effects just haven't been added yet, because as she sounds right now, it was a rather anti-climax conversation.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
Even the action scenes are boring; no sense of tension for any of the fights with Emo-king and Maiev cause you know, forgone conclusion and all that jazz
That can't be the only reason. You greatly enjoyed the fight scenes of Vol'jin in Shadows of the Horde, even though the foregone conclusion effect was just as present there, since the book was released after 5.3, thus we already knew Vol'jin and Chen would survive the events of the book.
The book is well written don't get me wrong...but it's boring; the guy doing the writing doesn't seem to want to inject tension into it. I read Tides of War and War Crimes because I was hoping they would get better, I read Shadow of the Horde because it sucked you in; this thing? Not so much. Even when the big flashy attacks were happening, it was still a yawn because it was just monotone.
Post by
Atik
Even the action scenes are boring; no sense of tension for any of the fights with Emo-king and Maiev cause you know, forgone conclusion and all that jazz
That can't be the only reason. You greatly enjoyed the fight scenes of Vol'jin in Shadows of the Horde, even though the foregone conclusion effect was just as present there, since the book was released after 5.3, thus we already knew Vol'jin and Chen would survive the events of the book.
The book is well written don't get me wrong...but it's boring; the guy doing the writing doesn't seem to want to inject tension into it. I read Tides of War and War Crimes because I was hoping they would get better, I read Shadow of the Horde because it sucked you in; this thing? Not so much. Even when the big flashy attacks were happening, it was still a yawn because it was just monotone.
So was it like a dry, analytical description, as opposed to anything that might bring a certain weight to the actions, or make you envision them in a different light?
Post by
Rankkor
You know, I was doing the quest that details Illidan's backstory, from his birth, his tutelage under cenarius, his descent down the slippery rope during the war of the ancients, culminating in his defeat and death at the black temple.
All around it was a nice quest, cool voice-acting (Illidan's actor sure loves to ham it up, and its awesome, he's almost as entertaining to listen to as Cho'gall.) but then
this
happens.
/incoming rant.
"My" redemption?................. lemme see if I understood this correctly: We're not doing all of this to redeem Illidan. We're doing all of this to redeem ourselves, because apparently, WE are the bad guys for having killed him.
You know what Xe'ra? F+U.
Ohh boo hoo, poor misunderstood illidan boy, like we're supposed to feel bad for putting down the
insane
("Arthas didn't beat me, I beat him. Ignore this gigantic diagonal gash on my manly chest, I did this to myself to prove I'm hardcore")
megalomaniac
("Tyrande should be MINE because I'm totally much more awesome than my foolish brother, her opinion on who she wants doesn't matter, and only I know what's best for the world, only I know how to best fight the legion everyone else is wrong")
hypocrite
("No sacrifice is too great to fight the legion. Hmm? What's that? Legion wants me to wipe out the scourge, and take out 33% of the planet at the same time? no problemo, I'll get right on it")
paranoid
("Everyone is conspiring against me, I can't rely on allies, they'll all just stab me in the back, or worse........ they'll refuse to do what I want, and we can't have that") and
slavering/kidnapping/mass murdering
("Ohh come on, just get into my van and come to my vacation resort. Where we'll gorge you chokeful of demon blood until you puke, whip you and beat you on the head until you lose all sense of identity and freedom, watch as you turn into a wretched monster incapable of diferentiating between a legion demon and your own mother, and then send you off into your death, so you can sacrifice your life while avoiding me that nasty little fate. What's that? You don't want to? I wasn't asking...... GET IN THE #$%&ING VAN!!!!!!!") asshat that put an entire world on the brink of further destruction.
And now WE are the bad guys who are supposed to attone for our unforgivable sin?
Get.Out.Of.Azeroth.
Like.NOW.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
So was it like a dry, analytical description, as opposed to anything that might bring a certain weight to the actions, or make you envision them in a different light?
More or less; the mid way point, with the huge spell designed to get them all to the Dreadlord homeworld? What in any book would be an epic battle....was a snore; it was just the Illidari face rolling Maiev's forces while she blinked around the battle field trying to get to Illidan who 'wins' by smacking her down. The fight on the Dreadlord homeworld with demons against Demon Hunters? The hunters face roll the demons and barely lose anyone at all, so no sense of danger. Again, the book is well written...except for the battles; they don't inspire you at all.
As for what Rank put....UGH!
Post by
Adamsm
Interesting read
...but seriously, did they need to put 'WAR OF THE ANCIENTS' over the flash back?
Post by
Rankkor
It was really good, and it helps explain the origins of thalyssra, who we meet in Suramar in legion. That's two expansions now that they've done quick "one-shot" comics to act as a prequel, I'm hoping this pattern continues in future expacs. I also wish the writers of these comics had a bigger involvement with the quests. The differences in writing quality are HUGE.
I'm also hoping for short stories.
The short story "Hellscream" was spectacularly good, FAR better than Warcrimes, and a much better bridge between MoP and WoD than the actual book was.
Post by
Rankkor
And it seems the pattern IS repeating. We've had short comics, we're going to get an
animated mini-series
, so it stands to reason that short stories will also follow soon.
From the look of the teaser, just as the animated mini-series of WoD focused on each of the warlords (even though in-game they're no such thing, they're either chieftains or warchiefs, none of them ever held the actual term "warlord"), the animated mini-series for Legion will focus on Illidan, Khadgar, and Gul'dan, as for two more potential characters (Lords of War had 5 episodes. So maybe Harbingers will have five too?) I'm guessing Xavius and Elisande? Alternatively, Greymane and Sylvanas as those two are the main representatives of the alliance and horde on the broken isles.
On another topic, each of the artifact weapons have unique hidden/flavor effects to make them stand out from each other more. I had to facepalm HARD at the Arms Warrior artifact.
Strom'kar has already enough ties to the Arathor bloodline that it makes it a little baffling we've never heard of it before, but to make matters worse, its flavor effect is that when you enter any dungeon occupied by trolls, you get an aura that causes the trolls to run away from you in terror, screaming in horror.
Look blizzard, if you wanted to give us Trol'Kalar, you should have given us Trol'kalar. They try to amp-up how Strom'kar is this ancient super-badass blade wielded by the line of arathor, and how it was the bane of all trolls, but really, all this does is make one feel like they're wielding a Discount!Trol'kalar. A watered down generic copy of it.
I know Trol'kalar plays a big role on the DK campaign, but seriously, there were ways to write around that little conundrum.
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