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Post by
Rankkor
Sorry D=
Post by
Stabhorn
My eyes! My eyes!
Post by
matheus314
Oh my Old-God!
Much spoiler. Very pre-known!
Post by
Rankkor
Something occurred to me today as I was doing Magister's Terrace again for the mount.
Why can
Priestess Delrissa
use holy spells? o_O
She's a demon, she shouldn't be able to wield the light. That's some serious lore-lol error there by blizzard.
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355559
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Post by
Adamsm
Something occurred to me today as I was doing Magister's Terrace again for the mount.
Why can
Priestess Delrissa
use holy spells? o_O
She's a demon, she shouldn't be able to wield the light. That's some serious lore-lol error there by blizzard.
Could be that they are meant to be more shadowy magic rather then 'pure' holy...and since it was BC, they didn't have the coding to make it different. Though to be fair, the Light is just about Will(seen by the fact that the Forsaken, Scourge, 'fallen' priests/paladins of the Crusade and Kael's army, the Ashtongue Broken, Twilight Hammer and many other 'evil' groups have priests in their ranks) not purity by any stretch of the imagination; it's not a living being or anything. Heck, Mal'ganis Onslaught forces had shadow priests in addition to the light ones after all.
Post by
Rankkor
Something occurred to me today as I was doing Magister's Terrace again for the mount.
Why can
Priestess Delrissa
use holy spells? o_O
She's a demon, she shouldn't be able to wield the light. That's some serious lore-lol error there by blizzard.
Could be that they are meant to be more shadowy magic rather then 'pure' holy...and since it was BC, they didn't have the coding to make it different. Though to be fair, the Light is just about Will(seen by the fact that the Forsaken, Scourge, 'fallen' priests/paladins of the Crusade and Kael's army, the Ashtongue Broken, Twilight Hammer and many other 'evil' groups have priests in their ranks) not purity by any stretch of the imagination; it's not a living being or anything. Heck, Mal'ganis Onslaught forces had shadow priests in addition to the light ones after all.
Ya, I know that evil people can still use the light, and even undead, but demons? that's stretching it way more than I'd like...
Nobundo gets infected with that red mist thingie during the battle of Shattrath, gets mutated in the process, and no matter how hard he tries, he can't access the holy light.
But here we have a demon fully using it? shouldn't it hurt like crap for her? At least for Kael's forces, scarlet crusaders, scarlet onslaught, twilight hammer, ashtongue broken, etc, they are all living beings, who believe in their cause strong enough to wield it.
With forsaken, scourge, Risen forces, they're undead, and its established that it hurts them but they can use it if they have the willpower. But darn, a demon wielding the holy light seemingly without issues is really pushing it. What's next? a Faceless One using it too?
Post by
matheus314
What's next?
Undead druids.
Post by
morginar
What's next?Voidwalkers casting holy light.
Nobundo gets infected with that red mist thingie during the battle of Shattrath, gets mutated in the process, and no matter how hard he tries, he can't access the holy light.
The red mist was a weapon made for dreanei paladins/priests so they can't use light.
Someone has a grudge.
Post by
Adamsm
But here we have a demon fully using it? shouldn't it hurt like crap for her? At least for Kael's forces, scarlet crusaders, scarlet onslaught, twilight hammer, ashtongue broken, etc, they are all living beings, who believe in their cause strong enough to wield it.
With forsaken, scourge, Risen forces, they're undead, and its established that it hurts them but they can use it if they have the willpower. But darn, a demon wielding the holy light seemingly without issues is really pushing it. What's next? a Faceless One using it too?You know....thinking on it, I've never seen anywhere that the Light burns Demons. Necromatic monsters by the plenty, but no where have I see it they take more damage from the Light. Yes, Paladins get a buff for Exorcism on demons but that could be because of the personal zeal.
Nobundo gets infected with that red mist thingie during the battle of Shattrath, gets mutated in the process, and no matter how hard he tries, he can't access the holy light.Not even close to the same thing, since that was a weapon designed to destroy the Draenei utterly....and removing the Light is the big thing. And even then, apparently they get it back because there are Broken Light users.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Shivarra are also apparently the military chaplains of the Legion. They may not use the Light exactly, but maybe a purer or less corrupted version of fel. But again, the ability to use the Light is apparently based on one's will power, so it may have more to do with that. Or maybe even drawing their power from Sargeras himself or a captured naaru much as the blood knights were.
Post by
matheus314
Just changing topics here, regarding our talk about Garrisons and their architeture, I'm playing my horde through MoP post-launch questlines (both Domination Point and Isle of Thunder) and I could see why all the hate over an Orc-centric architeture on the Garrisons...
The Sunreaver Onslaught base on the Isle of Thunder is amazing compared to the Orcish pile of iron that is Dominance Point.
Post by
Rankkor
Just changing topics here, regarding our talk about Garrisons and their architeture, I'm playing my horde through MoP post-launch questlines (both Domination Point and Isle of Thunder) and I could see why all the hate over an Orc-centric architeture on the Garrisons...
The Sunreaver Onslaught base on the Isle of Thunder is amazing
And said Onslaught base is but a shred of the awesomeness that is Blood Elven architecture.
They possess the most gorgeous buildings in the game. Bar none. The only ones that come close are night elven non-tree buildings (few as they are) and Pristine Draenei buildings (Fewer as they are)
compared to the Orcish pile of iron that is Dominance Point.
Its the lack of spikes. Makes the buildings look less like crap.
Blizzard actually seems to be aware of this, because they poke fun at it themselves. On the horde garrison there's a vendor that sells spikes you can plant on the ground. It has a tooltip flavor text that says: "Because some people just loves their spikes. What? its a matter of style".
Also when you're building the garrison, your architect says that your second in command is complaining...... because the garrison doesn't have enough spikes.
Of course, being aware of the problem, and poking fun at it, meaks diddly squat if they don't do something about it. They know that the notorious spike-overdosed orc architecture is not particularly loved by the players, and yet they still overuse it to hell and back again.
Fair enough, they do the same with the alliance human buildings, but at least
those
buildings actually look nice, so the blow is lessened even if just a little bit.
Post by
Skreeran
Eh, I still love the spikes... :P
I do wish they'd call back to
Warcraft 2's Orc building designs
, though. That Fortress was awesome.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Eh, I still love the spikes... :P
I do wish they'd call back to
Warcraft 2's Orc building designs
, though. That Fortress was awesome.
I think it was supposed to look like Blackrock...
I'd forgotten how much I loved W2's structures though. Orcs had some cool looking buildings.
Anyway, yeah. Orc structures aren't too grand, but it is somewhat understandable. They basically went from hunter gather society to rampaging warband in less than a generation, and during that their greatest achievement in building is Hellfire Citadel. Their stationary architecture reflects that. As for diversity, I suppose Blizzard was simply looking for uniformity with both.
Post by
cephadex
BE architecture always looked like glorified brothels to me. That said, on a completely different topic, I have another dragon-related question: other than the aspects, which of the dragons who are alive now were around before neltharion was corrupted (which was incredibly long ago)? Also, considering neltharion hadn't invested his essence in the dragon soul, does that mean that the black dragonflight still retains their powers now? Or did they lose them when deathwing died?
Post by
Adamsm
The consorts who are still alive for one. And yes, the Blacks still have power over the earth....just not on the world shattering level of Deathwing. All of the Flights still have their powers, they just are no longer unfailable.
Post by
cephadex
The consorts who are still alive for one. And yes, the Blacks still have power over the earth....just not on the world shattering level of Deathwing. All of the Flights still have their powers, they just are no longer unfailable.
Not to drag this out again, but the bronze dragonflight lost their powers to see and travel freely through time, I figured all four of the flights who put their powers in the dragon soul had lost nearly their entire unique abilities. Like that this was symbolized by how in the cinematic at the end of DS, their eyes went from glowy to normal (and Nozdormu lost the sand in his pauldrons). Like, would that mean that wrathion is technically more powerful than the dragon aspects? Do you think at some point he'd become the aspect of earth seeing as he's one of the very few black dragons left?
Post by
Adamsm
As Kairoz proves it's still possible to travel through time, it's just they can't alter things any longer without using an outside source. The Aspects eyes went unglowy because they gave up their immortality and their 'official' standing as guardians...but they still posses immense power and abilities and so do their flights. But since the Earth Warder died without passing on his powers, no it wouldn't be possible for Wrath or Sabellian to take the mantle up.
And no, the Aspects are still going to be more powerful then Wrath...since you know, he's a two year old still in whelp form.
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