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Morec0
Anyone else think that Kairoz's sudden death was very anticlimactic? I mean, they gave him such a huge buildup about his involvement with the Infinite Dragonflight, and now he's gone before the expansion even starts.
It will be interesting to see what comes of it. Somehow I'm picturing another Kairoz from another time coming in... after all, he IS infinite.
Or... will... or would be... or... bah! Time travel is screwy!
Post by
oneforthemoney
Normally the Timewalkers would have none of that, but disappointingly, they're nowhere to be seen in Draenor (Go figure, an entire expansion based on timetraveling, and the timetravel faction is nowhere. =/ They could had been the Cenarion Circle/Argent Crusade/Earthen Ring equivalent of WoD)
That's really egregious to me. Time travel expansion without the guys introduced as time travel police?
This isn't to say I'm not looking forward to playing Warlords, I am. I'm hoping it might serve to revitalize WoW a bit. But it seems to me Blizz may be trying to do the same thing they did with Cataclysm. Lots of different and new things, but maybe too much leaving it all a little half baked in the end. Then we get things like Cho'gall corrupting a naaru and the Warlords invading when they haven't really accomplished anything conclusively.
Post by
Rankkor
Anyone else think that Kairoz's sudden death was very anticlimactic? I mean, they gave him such a huge buildup about his involvement with the Infinite Dragonflight, and now he's gone before the expansion even starts.
It will be interesting to see what comes of it. Somehow I'm picturing another Kairoz from another time coming in... after all, he IS infinite.
Or... will... or would be... or... bah! Time travel is screwy!
It was anticlimmatic, but fitting. He got hoisted by his own petard.
He intended to use Garrosh and the Shard of Time, to create an infinite army through infinite worlds for.... whatever his purpose was.
He was killed by the very orc he intended to use as his pawn, with the very item he intended to use as his tool.
Also he's not entirely gone. We fight his restless spirit during the legendary quest chain.
To quote Arthas in Warcraft 3 who lampshades this beautifully: "
Does anyone ever stays dead anymore?
"
Post by
matheus314
Anyone else think that Kairoz's sudden death was very anticlimactic? I mean, they gave him such a huge buildup about his involvement with the Infinite Dragonflight, and now he's gone before the expansion even starts.
It will be interesting to see what comes of it. Somehow I'm picturing another Kairoz from another time coming in... after all, he IS infinite.
Or... will... or would be... or... bah! Time travel is screwy!
I have two theories about this:
Blizzard saw that they would have to do a MAJOR roundabout to fix whatever they planned for Kairozdormu and then decided to scrap it and kill him before it got even bigger.
Seeing that Garrosh would not be so easily manipulated, Kairoz willingly let himself be hit so he could "slip" into the artifact they took to Alternate Draenor, and now he's waiting for the right time to comeback.
Post by
Adamsm
Anyone else think that Kairoz's sudden death was very anticlimactic? I mean, they gave him such a huge buildup about his involvement with the Infinite Dragonflight, and now he's gone before the expansion even starts.
Um...huge? You mean, putting Infintes with the Dragonmaw renegades and then making a hammy speech?
Post by
Stabhorn
Anyone else think that Kairoz's sudden death was very anticlimactic? I mean, they gave him such a huge buildup about his involvement with the Infinite Dragonflight, and now he's gone before the expansion even starts.
Um...huge? You mean, putting Infintes with the Dragonmaw renegades and then making a hammy speech?
Well he had huge plans and goals, I thought for sure that he was going to be the 'first' Infinite Dragon, or would convince Nozdormu to create the Flight.
Post by
Adamsm
We already know why Nozdormu created the Infinite Flight; so that he wouldn't die like the Titans predicted his death...and it was a self full filling prophecy anyways. No matter what, the End Time Murzond will still occur. Honestly, Kairoz didn't do much; kinda better he dies off screen then on.
Post by
Stabhorn
We already know why Nozdormu created the Infinite Flight; so that he wouldn't die like the Titans predicted his death...and it was a self full filling prophecy anyways. No matter what, the End Time Murzond will still occur. Honestly, Kairoz didn't do much; kinda better he dies off screen then on.
Good point, I forgot about Murozond's 'true' End Time.
Post by
Adamsm
Honestly...I disliked Kairoz as soon as he appeared in War Crimes; he did nothing, beyond pushing the Glass off the table, and then suddenly he thinks he's the main villain? Please.
Of course, I didn't really care about him anyways so there is that lol.
Post by
cephadex
Anyone else think that Kairoz's sudden death was very anticlimactic? I mean, they gave him such a huge buildup about his involvement with the Infinite Dragonflight, and now he's gone before the expansion even starts.
It will be interesting to see what comes of it. Somehow I'm picturing another Kairoz from another time coming in... after all, he IS infinite.
Or... will... or would be... or... bah! Time travel is screwy!
I'm under the impression kairoz is going to come back with the infinite dragonflight considering his last words. And considering the fact that in beta if you go to the Caverns of Time, there are new infinite dragon mobs there (not the battle pets that are there now in MoP). I would have loved for it to turn out that Kairoz is some form of Nozdormu, but I think that's too good a twist for bliz to pull.
Interestingly, I happen to have a screenshot from like 2007 where chromie is stood in Andorthal beside a guy who looks a lot like Kairoz (then again, there aren't that many models so it's probably a coincidence). He has a different name, but Christie Golden didn't come up with Kairoz until recently, so he wouldn't have had that name before. Probably just random, but I like to think
Kairoz traveled back in time to 2007...
Post by
Adamsm
Kairoz was in the game before War Crimes came out, she didn't come up with the name.
Post by
cephadex
Kairoz was in the game before War Crimes came out, she didn't come up with the name.
I know, but according to wowpedia she came up with him!
Anyone else think that Kairoz's sudden death was very anticlimactic? I mean, they gave him such a huge buildup about his involvement with the Infinite Dragonflight, and now he's gone before the expansion even starts.
Um...huge? You mean, putting Infintes with the Dragonmaw renegades and then making a hammy speech?
The part you don't understand here is that he's hot, so we care.
Post by
Adamsm
Huh, didn't know that...oh well.
Post by
cephadex
Honestly, Kairoz didn't do much
Maybe not in terms of the Infinite Dragonflight, itself; but "
Micky Neilson clarified that Kairoz is a believer in what the Infinite Dragonflight was even if it's not around. He has his own viewpoint more so than anything involving the Infinites or Nozdormu
." So it sounds like whatever he ends up doing is influenced by/inspired by/associated with the Infinite Dragonflight, rather than being actually in it.
Course, he does say
I will become infinite
which sounds like, well, he will become infinite. I think it would've been a lot cooler if there was some way he really was in it, like if in some way he was Nozdormu, a bit like how in the Futurama film
Bender's Big Score
Lars turned out to be Fry. But it doesn't sound like they're going in that direction-- which is too bad, because he'd have been a lot cooler if he wasn't just some new random dragon no one heard of before, or if at least his backstory would be some previously unresolved bit of known lore.
Post by
Stabhorn
I would think that Kairoz is important simply because he is the first bronze dragon in our present timeline, to (openly) praise the efforts of the Infinite Dragonflight. Even though he is dead, he may inspire other bronze dragons to follow in his footsteps.
Post by
Adamsm
Meh, his huge rant where he says 'I will become Infinite' more or less spelled out his plan: He was going to repeat what he was planning with Alternate Draenor until he had a massive army capable of conquering all time lines.....and because he never read the Evil Overlord's list, he got his just reward for his idiocy.
Rules Whatever and Whatever: I will not rant my plan to my enemy and I will not give my enemy something that is capable of killing me.
Post by
Stabhorn
he never read the Evil Overlord's list, he got his just reward for his idiocy.
Lol,
Yeah, now that I think about it, his character really couldn't go anywhere else. He met a fitting end. Now I wonder if he will leave a legacy behind. We knew that something had to spark the creation of the Infinite Dragonflight.
Post by
matheus314
We knew that something had to spark the creation of the Infinite Dragonflight.
Nozdormu's fear of death. (At least on our main timeline, it is).
Post by
Stabhorn
We knew that something had to spark the creation of the Infinite Dragonflight.
Nozdormu's fear of death. (At least on our main timeline, it is).
That's why Nozdormu became infinite, but we don't know for a certainty that he started the Flight.
Post by
cephadex
Meh, his huge rant where he says 'I will become Infinite' more or less spelled out his plan: He was going to repeat what he was planning with Alternate Draenor until he had a massive army capable of conquering all time lines.....and because he never read the Evil Overlord's list, he got his just reward for his idiocy.
Rules Whatever and Whatever: I will not rant my plan to my enemy and I will not give my enemy something that is capable of killing me.
With all due respect, that was bad/simplistic writing; he had to be set up as too proud for it to "feel right" for Garrosh to kill him. And of course he would openly praise the Infinite Dragonflight seeing as it's a "birth/background of a villain" story... no villain thinks they're being the bad guy... on the bright side, I think it's nice that he's not evil due to "evil because crazy" like Deathwing or Malygos (or Illidan or countless others), or "evil because why not all of a sudden" (like assorted members of the Hellscream family or Kael'thas).
We knew that something had to spark the creation of the Infinite Dragonflight.
Nozdormu's fear of death. (At least on our main timeline, it is).
Doesn't that apply to
all
timelines?
That's why Nozdormu became infinite, but we don't know for a certainty that he started the Flight.
Yeah we do, Nozdormu said that he, himself, had started it. And I think Kairoz saying
I will become infinite
means there's more to the story. That doesn't mean much, though, if he comes back we'd just have to kill him again, probably in some minor quest. But tbh, bliz doesn't like bringing back people we kill so many times, and seeing as the "killing Kairoz's spirit" quest would have been a lame extra kill if he would have come back after that, I suspect that really was the last time we'd have seen him. It might have just been a means of alerting players to the fact that he's dead and was evil, though, seeing as most players don't read the stories. But there would be more to the story, I could be remembering wrong but I think at the Caverns of Time I saw at least one named mob that used to be bronze that is now infinite.
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