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Post by
Rankkor
/rollseyes
.
Seriously John J Keeshan, could you be any more of a drama queen/emo boy?
This is the supposedly badass hero commando of the alliance everyone is supposed to be afraid of? A dude that does his best impression of Eeyore the moment he runs out of bullets? Pathetic.
/shakes-head.
Post by
Interest
Bloody hell. Well, how's the other classes? Any new favorites? I have yet to decide on what to use the lvl 90 bost on when they release WoD, currently I'm leaning warrior, though no idea on what race or t-mog to go with.
I heard some Hunters were complaining about MM and how all the problems Blizzard highlighted weren't really fixed.
Post by
Rankkor
Bloody hell. Well, how's the other classes? Any new favorites? I have yet to decide on what to use the lvl 90 bost on when they release WoD, currently I'm leaning warrior, though no idea on what race or t-mog to go with.
I heard some Hunters were complaining about MM and how all the problems Blizzard highlighted weren't really fixed.
I haven't tried that many classes. My main priority was lore first and foremost :P so I just got to 100 as a horde DK, and now I'm going to 100 as an alliance warrior.
So far those two are the main classes I've tried the most, and I love how comfortable the rotation is for fury warriors now.
I dislike almost every change made to Frost, Unholy and SPECIALLY blood. They castrated my favorite spec man :(
Other than that, I've briefly tried rogues and I can say that the Death from Above talent has the coolest attack animation
EVER
. Bar none.
Post by
morginar
Bloody hell. Well, how's the other classes? Any new favorites? I have yet to decide on what to use the lvl 90 bost on when they release WoD, currently I'm leaning warrior, though no idea on what race or t-mog to go with.
I heard some Hunters were complaining about MM and how all the problems Blizzard highlighted weren't really fixed.
They are defiling MM hunters? How dare they! I will take out my axe, longboat and go full viking on Blizzard.
Other than that, I've briefly tried rogues and I can say that the Death from Above talent has the coolest attack animation
EVER
. Bar none.
Nice, my rogue gonna be faboulus.
Post by
Interest
They're forcing Aimed Shot as the Focus dump and completely removing Arcane Shot.
Post by
morginar
Meh, not like arcane shot is something I use...
I prefer to use chimera/Powershot/Aimed shot with Steady shot spam.
Post by
Interest
Meh, not like arcane shot is something I use...
I prefer to use chimera/Powershot/Aimed shot with Steady shot spam.
Well the entire idea just seems to scream clunky as hell given that even though Aimed Shot being castable while moving is going to go baseline, running around casting something that takes that long is an invitation to get screwed by all sorts of disruption (enemy decides to go near or behind Hunter, Hunters gets crowd controlled, Hunter loses line of sight, etc).
It's already kind of clunky as is with Steady/Cobra Shot (fortunately those casts are mercifully a little shorter and failing to dump a whopping 50 Focus, even with the potential 120 Focus cap for MM, is a little bit more of a big deal than failing to generate 14). Good lord please no more of that.
Edit: It would be a lot more interesting if Aimed Shot became the stronger dump during Careful Aim phases only like with the previous incarnation of MM, especially since the synergy between Rapid Fire, Careful Aim, and Aimed Shot (since Rapid Fore now activates Careful Aim) is absolutely amazing!
Post by
Rankkor
About damned time they gave Thrall a new voice-over.
Ever since vanilla wow, THE ONLY THING HE SAYS is "Lok'tar friend, what is it you wish?" over and over and over again. Its nuts. It stayed that way through all of vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, and MoP, and now FINALLY after 10 years, he has a full new set of lines in WoD.
About damned time. Sheesh.
Post by
Interest
About damned time they gave Thrall a new voice-over.
Ever since vanilla wow, THE ONLY THING HE SAYS is "Lok'tar friend, what is it you wish?" over and over and over again. Its nuts. It stayed that way through all of vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, and MoP, and now FINALLY after 10 years, he has a full new set of lines in WoD.
About damned time. Sheesh.
Welcome to Orgrimmar. Have you come to serve the Horde?
Post by
Rankkor
He only said that other line in orgrimmar, but whenever you spotted him outside of orgrimmar (which includes Old Hillsbrad, Hyjal Raid, Argent Tournament, Nagrand during the Mag'har questline, goblin starting zone, the start and ending of the elemental bonds quest in 4.2, Hour of Twilight dungeon, Dragon Soul Raid, his small cameo in Deepholm and Twilight Highlands, his small cameo in Echo Islands on 5.1, his appereance on the 5.3 event, his appereance in SoO, and briefly, his apereance in the blasted lands on the WoD beta) He'd say his other line. And he had only 2.
As you can see, 95% of all the times we've seen him, all he says is "Lok'tar Friend, what is it you wish?". And he only ever said "Welcome to Orgrimmar, have you come to help the horde?" when clicked on in orgrimmar.
Post by
morginar
Meh, not like arcane shot is something I use...
I prefer to use chimera/Powershot/Aimed shot with Steady shot spam.
Well the entire idea just seems to scream clunky as hell given that even though Aimed Shot being castable while moving is going to go baseline, running around casting something that takes that long is an invitation to get screwed by all sorts of disruption (enemy decides to go near or behind Hunter, Hunters gets crowd controlled, Hunter loses line of sight, etc).
It's already kind of clunky as is with Steady/Cobra Shot (fortunately those casts are mercifully a little shorter and failing to dump a whopping 50 Focus, even with the potential 120 Focus cap for MM, is a little bit more of a big deal than failing to generate 14). Good lord please no more of that.
Edit: It would be a lot more interesting if Aimed Shot became the stronger dump during Careful Aim phases only like with the previous incarnation of MM, especially since the synergy between Rapid Fire, Careful Aim, and Aimed Shot (since Rapid Fore now activates Careful Aim) is absolutely amazing!
You mean in pvp, sorry, not a hardcore pvp, I am casul pvp. So not overly affected.
MM is a perfecly viable spec in PvE and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Post by
Interest
I was also speaking from a PvE context. Even accounting for Sniper Training, there are a number of encounter mechanics that could easily screw over a 2++ second cast - something a Marksmanship Hunter in the current state would be forced to do many times. Here's a few mechanics I can think of that make life harder for cast time over instant, particularly since Marksmanship is now effectively mostly a cast time specialization
with minimal no-cooldown instant cast options - Multishot barely counts given it's one of the more inefficient resource -> damage skills for single target
:
Any sort of enemy crowd control, such as enemy fear or stun.
Low health adds or add easily killed by instant damage (this also means Marksmanship Hunters would have some difficulty in dungeons). This problem becomes far more apparent as the group gets more geared.
The enemy outranges you by warping, being pulled out of range to keep players (particular melee) safe from an encounter mechanic, or the like. It is worth mentioning if the enemy barely gets pulled out of range, the cast ability will go off. Hunters also have the advantage of casting while moving, so this is less of a problem for them compared to other classes that rely on cast spells. This is really more of a minor issue as opposed to a major one.
The enemy goes out of line of sight, or, more likely in a PvE context, becomes untargetable due to encounter mechanics. This is already anti-fun no matter who you are, but have it happen when a long cast time is about to finish and the amount of frustration borderlines on blood-boiling. Given that there's not really any casts that go beyond 2 seconds for any given class to my knowledge, Marksmanship Hunter would be the first to have the most ample room for said frustration.
I'll go over exactly why this is problematic later on (as in why it's problematic for Hunters compared to other casters), but I'm afraid I have something I need to do. I will at least close with the acknowledgement that MM Hunter is reasonably decent. I actually prefer it as my second specialization and have enjoyed it since my early BC days when I started out. However, I also feel the specialization needs a lot of improvement in its current state as well.
Post by
morginar
Well, with the t16 set bonus you get one more aimed shot from steady shot spam, and I also find steady shot spam does more dps than arcane shot, also I find it wierd to shot arrows instanly, it gotta hurt for my characters fingers...
Glaive toss is very night elven, wierd to use as a blood elf to say the least so Powershot it is, and the knockback is fun.
Well, for me it works and I have fun, but one can argue otherwise but for me MM steady shot is supreme.
Post by
Rankkor
Now that they added voice-acting to the game, Kadghar not only doesn't looks old, he doesn't even
sounds
old either.
Seriously, greymane seems far older in voice and apereance than the wizard who was aged 50+ years at the age of 20, thirty years ago. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T_T
/hair-pull.
Post by
morginar
Now that they added voice-acting to the game, Kadghar not only doesn't looks old, he doesn't even
sounds
old either.
Seriously, greymane seems far older in voice and apereance than the wizard who was aged 50+ years at the age of 20, thirty years ago. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE! T_T
/hair-pull.
Maybe he started to undo Medivhs curse? Or the curse wears of and in a few years/decades he looks like a teen?
Post by
Rankkor
Except blizzard said that he hasn't. That he's still supposed to be the exact same Kadghar we've known all this time.
They need to make up their minds, either he's old and he LOOKS AND SOUNDS OLD, or he's young since he undid the curse and he looks and sounds young.
They can't just declare an 80 year old man to still be old, but have him look like a calvin klein model and sound like justin timberlake. That doesn't make any sense >_<
Post by
morginar
Except blizzard said that he hasn't. That he's still supposed to be the exact same Kadghar we've known all this time.
They need to make up their minds, either he's old and he LOOKS AND SOUNDS OLD, or he's young since he undid the curse and he looks and sounds young.
They can't just declare an 80 year old man to still be old, but have him look like a calvin klein model and sound like justin timberlake. That doesn't make any sense >_<
I agree with you bro, they need decide if they are going with Gandalf/Merlin beard wizard (though Medivh could take the spot in the future) or a young human mage.
Post by
matheus314
Have they said it? I haven't heard Blizzard talking about Medivh in ages!
Would be nice to have all these bits clarified, specially now that he's a major character on this xpack.
Is he still under influence of Sargeras?
Post by
oneforthemoney
No, he's freed. But at the end of W3 they made it quite clear Medivh's story was done and he was too. So much so that when they decided to bring back the guardian thing, they skipped his that generation and went with his mother and later son of stupid pedigree to do it.
Post by
Interest
Well, with the t16 set bonus you get one more aimed shot from steady shot spam, and I also find steady shot spam does more dps than arcane shot, also I find it wierd to shot arrows instanly, it gotta hurt for my characters fingers...
Glaive toss is very night elven, wierd to use as a blood elf to say the least so Powershot it is, and the knockback is fun.
Well, for me it works and I have fun, but one can argue otherwise but for me MM steady shot is supreme.
Marksman in its current state is fine and probably needs some tweaking to its mechanics. I'm talking about beta Marksman D:
(For the record, Aimed spam may make sense at tier 16 because of high stats and the existence of a haste-providing Steady Focus, on top of set effects.)
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