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Post by
Rankkor
That sounded like something out of doctor who with Rose's parents, father dies in our universe and father lives in cyber universe.
MAJOR negative feedback on the forums led to their change. I dunno, much like the story-telling in MoP was a hit&miss, the same pattern is showing up here. I love the way some stories are played, but others are just..... weird. Almost like they're making it up along as they go. Doomhammer's fate is a clear cut example of that. It just comes right the frick out of nowhere with absolutely zero foreshadowing or lead in.
I dunno, maybe I'm being too harsh, I need to first complete both sides (Horde and alliance) before I can say my final judgement on the story.
Post by
morginar
That sounded like something out of doctor who with Rose's parents, father dies in our universe and father lives in cyber universe.
MAJOR negative feedback on the forums led to their change. I dunno, much like the story-telling in MoP was a hit&miss, the same pattern is showing up here. I love the way some stories are played, but others are just..... weird. Almost like they're making it up along as they go. Doomhammer's fate is a clear cut example of that. It just comes right the frick out of nowhere with absolutely zero foreshadowing or lead in.
I dunno, maybe I'm being too harsh, I need to first complete both sides (Horde and alliance) before I can say my final judgement on the story.
I think they go with hit/miss like it's trial and error, where there is a error and with enought feedback, they can correct it. Though sometimes blizz don't see what was bad or add something to fill the void they create when they cut out a part of the plot.
Like High king, it's bad and shouln't made live. Same with trials of high king.
I suppose this is how beta should work in their eyes?
Post by
matheus314
So... About Everbloom... Blizzard had to make a whole dungeon focused on the Kirin Tor (a faction which the vast majoity of members have a higher than average intellect) derpness, just so hordies could get a way to revenge from the Purge of Dalaran? Interesting...
Post by
Rankkor
So... About Everbloom... Blizzard had to make a whole dungeon focused on the Kirin Tor (a faction which the vast majoity of members have a higher than average intellect) derpness, just so hordies could get a way to revenge from the Purge of Dalaran? Interesting...
hey to be fair there's been
A LOT
of dungeons/raids/scenarios where you get to kill horde troops. I say its about time they made a dungeon where the cannon fodder is alliance. Come on, =/
And besides, technically speaking, we end up saving
your
city. As opposed to..... I dunno, let the plants have some fun on Stormwind.
Ohh and BTW, a higher intellect isn't a guarantee of not making derp moves. Remember Gnomeregan? capital of the allegedly most intelligent race of azeroth? you know, the same people who basically went "Hey, our city is being invaded, what can we do to stop that? ohh what's that plan? lets nuke our own city? that's BRILLIANT, how could THAT backfire in any way? lets dooo eeeet."
I rest my case.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
morginar
So... About Everbloom... Blizzard had to make a whole dungeon focused on the Kirin Tor (a faction which the vast majoity of members have a higher than average intellect) derpness, just so hordies could get a way to revenge from the Purge of Dalaran? Interesting...
It's usualy smartasses that pick up random artefacts to big to handle, like the gnomes in uldum we genoside. And the Kirin Tor did obtain a lower average IQ when Jaina took the ropes with the purge and all.
*sigh*
Humans...
Speaking of humans, due to their short lifespan they are far more reckless in nature than long lived races. Humans don't usualy live to see the consequence of their actions. Like toddlers are more reckless than adults, regardless of cognitive abilities. And they biting a plant apple to big to shew fits in to human nature.
Post by
Rankkor
Speaking of humans, due to their short lifespan they are far more reckless in nature than long lived races. Humans don't usualy live to see the consequence of their actions. Like toddlers are more reckless than adults, regardless of cognitive abilities. And they biting a plant apple to big to shew fits in to human nature.
To be fair, and I don't wanna spoil any specifics, but derpness regarding dangerous artifacts and species isn't exclusive to humans. So far I've also seen orcs, blood elves, dwarves, goblins, ogres (yes, they're smart this time) and gnomes, making similar mistakes.
I'm just saying, a dungeon where alliance is cannon fodder is a welcome change of pace from the dungeons with horde (or horde offshoots) cannon fodder. No more, no less. They're not even portrayed villainous or anything, just poor bastards that need to be put out of their misery before they turn into a danger to others. Not quite the way I wanted to do it, but hey, beggars can't be picky, I'll take what I can get.
Post by
morginar
In the beta?
Otherwise beibg corrupted by a plot device is old trick blizz used for us to get mobs to kill for quests/dungeons/raids.
Post by
Rankkor
I meant more in general. Every race at one point or another has displayed huge bouts of stupidity with regards to ancient artifacts, and powers that are beyond their control. But yes, in the beta this happens a lot too, to the good guys, and the bad guys.
Stupidity is universal I guess.
Post by
morginar
Stupidity and gives us new shiny gear!
Post by
matheus314
I really don't want to enter on a discussion on which scenarios we end up killing alliance/horde offshoots, because unless we're killing straight up titan or old god material, we're always dealing with offshoots of either horde or alliance.
Despite my ironic post, I wanted to point that now that the Kirin Tor is, in fact, an Alliance faction, they manage to go and do a major derp... and for a Horde character, just like Rankkor showed us flawlessly, after the Purge of Dalaran, I cannot see a different reaction than pure hate and vengeance.
Stupidity and gives us new shiny gear!
That seems the main reason for too many stupidity all over Azeroth (and beyond...)
Post by
Rankkor
I really don't want to enter on a discussion on which scenarios we end up killing alliance/horde offshoots, because unless we're killing straight up titan or old god material, we're always dealing with offshoots of either horde or alliance.
Fair enough, but assuming you actually were interested on it, you'd notice how many dungeons/scenarios/raids have you killing horde troops, vs ones that let you kill alliance.
Despite my ironic post, I wanted to point that now that the Kirin Tor is, in fact, an Alliance faction, they manage to go and do a major derp... and for a Horde character, just like Rankkor showed us flawlessly, after the Purge of Dalaran, I cannot see a different reaction than pure hate and vengeance.
You'd be wrong. From a story perspective, the horde forces are there first and foremost to contain the plague. Nobody cares one bit who got infected, they all agree that plague is terrible, and will be biting everyone in the ass if it spreads. Its the main reason horde adventurers (such as us, the players) choose to do the right thing and stop the Genesaur from spreading the contagion to stormwind.
How is
saving frikking stormwind from a zombie apocalypse
"pure hate and vengeance"? Pure hate and vengeance would had been to let them all die, consequences be damned. Instead, we do the right thing and contain the plague for the greater good. There's even some surviving Kirin Tor mages that are trying to fight the final boss, and
we end up saving their sorry asses too
. "Pure hate and Vengeance" would be to let them die first,
then
fighting the final boss.
Getting to kill the infected victims is just an added bonus for me, considering I didn't get closure or outlet for the Dalaran Massacre (Alliance players have gotten several injustices done by the horde too, but they get provided with convenient outlets and opportunities to kill horde troops in quests, scenarios, dungeons, and raids. WE do not), but
not
the main priority. And the only reason we're killing them is because there is no cure for the infection. Its spores on the brain, even killing the host isn't enough, the bodies have to be burned to kill the fungus on the inside.
So make no mistake, while enjoying the fact that the Kirin Tor got some well-deserved karma for their actions, we're there to clean up the Kirin Tor's screwup. Getting to enjoy seeing them reap what they sow is just an added bonus.
Also I don't understand how you keep saying that the Kirin Tor made a stupid mistake. They created a settlement, they didn't know about the highly contagious, very aggressive, very invasive, nigh unkillable, plant specie that loves to make flesh creatures its hosts. Nobody knew. None of those plants survived when draenor became outland, there was no evidence they ever existed, for all we know, they probably
didn't
existed on the main timeline.
So, they just created a town that got overrun by a contagion. How is that "making a derp"? it could had happened to anyone. It just happened to them because Karma is a #$%& :P(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
matheus314
I agree most times with your point of view and this time is not different, except for one thing:
Karma... on a videogame, really?
Post by
Rankkor
I agree most times with your point of view and this time is not different, except for one thing:
Karma... on a videogame, really?
yes, really.
And it doesn't applies just to the alliance. I fully believe that all the crap Sylvanas has done WILL catch up to her eventually. She's not exactly been making friends, on either side of the fence.
Post by
morginar
Othmar Garothias got karma'd for his racist ducheness by Sylvanas.
Not like Karma isn't a thing in warcraft.
Post by
Rankkor
On other news Morg: I just completed the Talador questline.
There is no such thing as "hush Liandrin". She kicks ass.
If anything, I'm sad that liandrin and the blood elves in general, played a much smaller role than I thought. There's 4 major storylines on Talador, and the blood elves are only part of 1. The other 3 are with Durotan and Draka.
It was very satisfactory to do the blood elven part though, specially due to how many throwbacks there were about TBC, with blood elves and draenei fighting together against the legion once more. And it was AWESOME.
Off to Spires of Arak now, once that's done, I'll finally head to Nagrand, and to close the chapter on one of the most hated characters in the game, once and for all.
Post by
Stabhorn
On other news Morg: I just completed the Talador questline.
There is no such thing as "hush Liandrin". She kicks ass.
If anything, I'm sad that liandrin and the blood elves in general, played a much smaller role than I thought. There's 4 major storylines on Talador, and the blood elves are only part of 1. The other 3 are with Durotan and Draka.
It was very satisfactory to do the blood elven part though, specially due to how many throwbacks there were about TBC, with blood elves and draenei fighting together against the legion once more. And it was AWESOME.
Off to Spires of Arak now, once that's done, I'll finally head to Nagrand, and to close the chapter on one of the most hated characters in the game, once and for all.
I'm interested in seeing what Arak's storyline is about; I haven't read anything at all about it.
Post by
morginar
*sigh* well, orcs in the orc expansion, what can you expect, and pleased to hear they didn't go all Tyrande on her. Considering both are "paladins".
And for Spiers of Arak, There seems to be dataminded apexis crystals... Tell me in advance if their a quest/daily with that obelix ogirla thing from TBC is going to reapear.
Post by
Stabhorn
And for Spiers of Arak, There seems to be dataminded apexis crystals... Tell me in advance if their a quest/daily with that obelix ogirla thing from TBC is going to reapear.
Ugh I hope not.
Post by
Rankkor
*sigh* well, orcs in the orc expansion, what can you expect, and pleased to hear they didn't go all Tyrande on her. Considering both are "paladins".
o_O dude, Tyrande is not a paladin, she's a priestess lol :P
And its not restricted to priestesses either. Before they made her a psycho, the only role Jaina had on the story was to cry, or to cheer for Varian/Thrall. I'm just happy to see that Liandrin is portrayed as the badass she is, rather than be "chickified" like so many other women were.
And for Spiers of Arak, There seems to be dataminded apexis crystals... Tell me in advance if their a quest/daily with that obelix ogirla thing from TBC is going to reapear.
I hope not.
From the preview of Arak, the storyline is heavily about the downfall of Arakkoa society, and the schism between the flying royal caste, and the flightless cursed exiles that we met in TBC. But beyond that I know nothing else.
Post by
morginar
o_O dude, Tyrande is not a paladin, she's a priestess lol :P
And its not restricted to priestesses either. Before they made her a psycho, the only role Jaina had on the story was to cry, or to cheer for Varian/Thrall. I'm just happy to see that Liandrin is portrayed as the badass she is, rather than be "chickified" like so many other women were.
Priestesses don't run around shoting arrows at people. Nelf priestesess are like paladins (with bows and bikini) in times of war as seen in WoA. And times of peace they do priest stuff.
Well hope you share what you find among the bird-men. And warn us of apexis.
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