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Post by
Stabhorn
He was also loyal to his master (Doomhammer) above all else. I could see Doomhammer repeating history's events and help the "playable horde" in deposing Blackhand and take command of the Blackrock Orcs. Again, this is not unprecedented in wow. We helped Akama regain leadership of the Ashtongue (Mid-raid mind you, turning hostile mobs into friendly on-screen) and helped Zaela gain leadership of the Dragonmaw, and alliance-side, saw Moira replacing Thaurissan as leader of the Dark Irons.
So the theme of putting a more reasonable person, in charge of a hostile formerly enemy force, is not unheard of in this game.It's also worth noting that this expansion is clearly not just about "Fight the Old Horde."
I don't think it's going to end up getting divided into "These clans are enemies, and these clans are allies." I think some, like the Blackrocks and Warsongs, for example, could easily go back and forth of their own accord rather than just being a list of expansion bosses.
I concur.
Also, since the final boss is not even an orc, it shows me that the Iron Horde is not even the MAIN enemy of the game. Much like how the Mogu weren't the main enemy of MoP and were just an earlier threat that we got out of the way relatively quickly.
It does makes me wonder one thing though:
Why did they spoiled the endgame boss for MoP and not WoD?
I'm not complaining, I like surprises, but I can't recall why exactly did they chose to reveal that Garrosh and the Siege of Orgrimmar would be the final battle of MoP as early as blizzcon, but this time they saw fit to keep the final enemy a complete secret and only tell us that it wont be an orc or a demon. What has changed now?
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blam
Well, I can see how it was rather obvious that Garrosh was going down; so Blizz saw no problems with revealing it to us early on; which also allowed them to be really open with Garrosh's evil. But now, I think this plot may change all of WoW as we know it, so they're going to keep us guessing right up to the end. We have at least five possible candidates, and Blizz may bring in someone completely new. Also as an interesting note if it is someone new; if we kill him in this alternate reality, he'll still be alive and kicking in the real world.
Post by
Rankkor
Well, I can see how it was rather obvious that Garrosh was going down;
No. No it wasn't.
Garrosh's bats**t insane descent into madness hadn't taken place in Cata. He was an ass yes, but as his bit in silverpine and stonetalon showed, he could be SOMEWHAT reasonable. His warfare on the alliance was brutal, but nothing completely shocking, (remember, I'm talking pre-Tides of War here) and he had no real vibe of someone going full-time villainous and wanting to purge the horde of non-orcs.
All of that came during MoP, and we only saw it coming because they warned us beforehand it would happen.
But now, I think this plot may change all of WoW as we know it, so they're going to keep us guessing right up to the end.
It does presents quite a few storytelling problems, that they better be good at addressing. I mean, for one thing we're gonna have two copies of the same person (Velen, Maraad, Nobundo, Saurfang, Garrosh, Geya, Rexxar, Drek'thar, Drak'thul, and possibly Thrall among others) And on the other hand.....
what do we do once the threat is over? How do we wrap this story up? This isn't just a new continent we've uncovered, its a new timeline, do we simply integrate with it? people from here can go there, and from there can go here? There's a lot of questions and I expect some answers.
We have at least five possible candidates, and Blizz may bring in someone completely new.
Out of curiosity, what candidates you have in mind? For the record, blizz said it would not be a demon, or an orc. So that rules out every single one of the warlords ,and anyone from the legion.
Post by
Stabhorn
I had them at Dimensius, the Old God, Anzu or that other Akkroaka god, Murmur or Murozond.
Post by
morginar
but as his bit in silverpine
Whut?
If you mean his reaction to animating dead. Then all I can say is he probably se necromancy as fel, they are not inheritly evil magics. Death knights and warlocks can do good too.
blizz said it would not be a demon, or an orc. So that rules out every single one of the warlords ,and anyone from the legion.
Dimensius, the old god of Shadowmoon, Terrok or arrakoa deity, something zangarmarsh or Jaina. Just a few posibilities.
Thought I belive the expansion will be more of a 2.0 burning crusade ending. With something in the background being the last raidboss in azeroth.
Drak'thul
Who we havent heard of since WC3, and I hope we see him atleast as a warlock trainer in updated ogrimmar as the current warlock trainers have been killed becouse garrosh doesn't like to use fel.
And you didn't mention Tobias the filth gorger, or Akama. I am not pleased..
what do we do once the threat is over? How do we wrap this story up? This isn't just a new continent we've uncovered, its a new timeline, do we simply integrate with it? people from here can go there, and from there can go here? There's a lot of questions and I expect some answers.
Think we gonna leave the new timeline and anything from it to die. Or we gonna piss of Nozdurmu. We can't realy take something from it to our timeline.
Edit: Anzu
Well there has been a updated vesrion of his mount that can fly. Though I belive it will be a vanity mount for 15 euro or something. Rather than a raid/dungeon boss....
Post by
Rankkor
but as his bit in silverpine
Whut?
If you mean his reaction to animating dead. Then all I can say is he probably se necromancy as fel, they are not inheritly evil magics. Death knights and warlocks can do good too.
I think it was more to do that she was reanimating non-combatants, and unlike DKs who temporarily raise the corpses of the enemies to create disposable shock troops that are released of their torment quickly enough, the Valk resurrection is permanent, and the victim is left fully aware of what happened to them, rather than the ignorant bliss of non-sentient corpses.
blizz said it would not be a demon, or an orc. So that rules out every single one of the warlords ,and anyone from the legion.
Dimensius, the old god of Shadowmoon, Terrok or arrakoa deity, something zangarmarsh or Jaina. Just a few possibilities.
Thought I belive the expansion will be more of a 2.0 burning crusade ending. With something in the background being the last raidboss in azeroth.
Interesting lineup :P
Drak'thul
Who we havent heard of since WC3, and I hope we see him atleast as a warlock trainer in updated ogrimmar as the current warlock trainers have been killed becouse garrosh doesn't like to use fel.
And you didn't mention Tobias the filth gorger, or Akama. I am not pleased..
D= I knew I was forgetting someone. Akama though, I frankly didn't even remembered Tobias. (Odd name for a draenei BTW)
what do we do once the threat is over? How do we wrap this story up? This isn't just a new continent we've uncovered, its a new timeline, do we simply integrate with it? people from here can go there, and from there can go here? There's a lot of questions and I expect some answers.
Think we gonna leave the new timeline and anything from it to die. Or we gonna piss of Nozdurmu. We can't realy take something from it to our timeline.
What's he gonna do? he's not the guardian of time anymore, much like how Ysera no longer monitors the emerald dream. Though I suppose pissing off the timewalkers is not such a good idea.
Edit: Anzu
Well there has been a updated vesrion of his mount that can fly. Though I belive it will be a vanity mount for 15 euro or something. Rather than a raid/dungeon boss....
Nope, he is the mount for the Collector's Edition or Digital Deluxe Edition of WoD. it also comes with a baby anzu as a pet.
I've never been sadder in my life to not be able to afford a special edition of a wow expansion U_U
Post by
morginar
I think it was more to do that she was reanimating non-combatants, and unlike DKs who temporarily raise the corpses of the enemies to create disposable shock troops that are released of their torment quickly enough, the Valk resurrection is permanent, and the victim is left fully aware of what happened to them, rather than the ignorant bliss of non-sentient corpses.
You're okay with mindless undead who have no choise? And Thassarian have had his skelly minion for a while, so it's safe to say that death knight do use their undead for long periods of time.
Interesting lineup :P
:D
D= I knew I was forgetting someone. Akama though, I frankly didn't even remembered Tobias. (Odd name for a draenei BTW) I sometimes think that there is someone at blizzard named tobias that smells bad. Remember how Tobias eats roten arakkoa egs that paralyed shattrath in it's vile smell acording to Gnomeregan News? Though I hope we get to see him. The dreanei needs some darker and filthy elements.
What's he gonna do? he's not the guardian of time anymore, much like how Ysera no longer monitors the emerald dream. Though I suppose pissing off the timewalkers is not such a good idea.Though not immortal I think the dragons do their jobs. The bronzies where curios of the timeless isle for example. Thouht with diminished power they use mortals (perhaps to counter the posibility of battling themself?). The infinive dragon flight is still out there,
Nope, he is the mount for the Collector's Edition or Digital Deluxe Edition of WoD. it also comes with a baby anzu as a pet.
I've never been sadder in my life to not be able to afford a special edition of a wow expansion U_UWhy am I not supriced? Thought /pat Rankkor it's will be okay.
Post by
Adamsm
From what the starting zone at Blizzcon was showing, Akama is waiting to fight alongside the Alliance...so we'll get to see him in his full glory.
Post by
morginar
From what the starting zone at Blizzcon was showing, Akama is waiting to fight alongside the Alliance...so we'll get to see him in his full glory.
It will be wierd to see Akama, The dreanei rogue, as a paladin.
Post by
Rankkor
From what the starting zone at Blizzcon was showing, Akama is waiting to fight alongside the Alliance...so we'll get to see him in his full glory.
It will be wierd to see Akama, The dreanei rogue, as a paladin.
Paladin? I think he looked more like a priest in the Black Temple trailer. Nobundo was a paladin before becoming a shaman though.
Post by
Adamsm
The weirdest thing is going to be seeing the Broken Shaman as a whole Draenei Paladin.
Post by
Rankkor
Although its very like that's gonna be the case, I'm gonna be very sad if Nobundo doesn't get a unique model.
he's one of my favorite minor characters.
Post by
Adamsm
And he's at it again =)
Post by
Rankkor
And he's at it again =)
While I love his art, Time to go Nit/pickety Mcpick. There are several mistakes in that picture.
1: Grom's axe is being depicted as a hallberd, not an actual axe.
2: The largest warlord is Ner'zhul, even though the actual largest one is Blackhand.
3: Durotan is depicted with the rest of the warlords hitting Karabor, when Durotan is actually not a part of the Iron Horde.
4: Ner'zhul doesn't have his skeletal pale face tattoo, nor for that matter, does grom has his blackjaw tattoo either.
Aaannnd I am waaaaay too much of a geek over minor details T_T
Post by
morginar
I think I would like it more if it was like the old DotA walpapers. Having the warlords on the right side and the dreanai chars, Khadgar and Durotar on the left and Gul'dan in the midle above them all as a malevolent god gazing from the abyss.
Post by
Stabhorn
What's that thing in the right hand corner?
Post by
Adamsm
Gul'dan facing away from the others.
Post by
Stabhorn
Upper, it's like a weird blue building.
Post by
Adamsm
A building; there is an orcish hut below it after all.
Post by
EMPHaraljier
I hate to keep throwing in these random questions like this, but I don't know where else to take them. If a darkspear troll can be a shaman, can he be a dark shaman? And if so, would he be still allowed in the Horde? And also, could it be possible to be a elementalist and not have been a part of the Twilight's Hammer?
Post by
Rankkor
I hate to keep throwing in these random questions like this, but I don't know where else to take them.
lol, don't be. Discussing random lore questions is kinda what we do here.
If a darkspear troll can be a shaman, can he be a dark shaman?
Anyone who's a shaman can be a dark shaman, much the same way as anyone who's a paladin can also become a dark paladin.
And if so, would he be still allowed in the Horde?
Maybe on garrosh's true horde. The regular horde doesn't allow dark shamanism. They tolerate warlock practices because all you hurt with that is demons and yourself. But Dark Shamans specifically hurt the world to suit their needs, and that's not something the horde allows. During Garrosh's disastrous tenure as Warchief, dark shamans were both allowed, and used, but now that he's FINALLY deposed, Dark Shamans are likely outlawed once more. (Incoming Ragefire Chasm revamp number 4 =D)
And also, could it be possible to be a elementalist and not have been a part of the Twilight's Hammer?
http://wowpedia.org/Elementalist
Apparently no. But hard to tell considering how loose is the canon of the tabletop RPG
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