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Post by
Lordplatypus
They care nothing about themselves, their wealth and their power; everyone else can go jump in a lake.
I think your liberal got the better of your grammar.
Now, first off, the Defias are the scum of the earth, the typical aimless idiot terrorist who, after the rush of "RAAAAARRR!" forget what the hell they're trying to do and turn into a bunch of bandits.
It's their looting that caused westfall, ever wonder where they were gonna pay for A GODAMN JUGGERNAUT FROM?
All the money they stole should have gone to the rebuilding, but a few greedy, stuck up masons who can't take a economic depression for what it is and blamed greed decided to get on a giant temper tantrum and blow up stormwind.
What I see here is just a few marx-addled fools editing pages to look like it's the fault of the nobles and only them.
The only thing good going for them is this.
(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##"Marx-addled fools"?
If you can't discuss topics without resorting to insulting the people you're talking with then you will lose your ability to discuss at all.
Post by
Skreeran
We'd better not get real politics involved in here. I'm Red to the core.
Post by
Adamsm
Has nothing to do with politics; the Nobles embody the whole high class aristocratic life style where those who have power flaunt it, and screw every one else.
And Westfall was caused by the Nobles and Onyxia; again, original quest lines were fairly clear on that, since they were not willing to assist the war on the Defias, the battles with the Scourge in Duskwood and the fight against the Blackrock Orcs and Gnolls in Redridge...or do you not remember the quests where you went from the Westfall Milita to the Redridge Miltia and the Blackwatch, each group telling you they weren't getting any support from Stormwind and couldn't leave their zones to go help the others?
Post by
Rankkor
Has nothing to do with politics; the Nobles embody the whole high class aristocratic life style where those who have power flaunt it, and screw every one else.
So...... they're basically like the Drow houses. Lol, that's just great :P
And Westfall was caused by the Nobles and Onyxia; again, original quest lines were fairly clear on that, since they were not willing to assist the war on the Defias, the battles with the Scourge in Duskwood and the fight against the Blackrock Orcs and Gnolls in Redridge...or do you not remember the quests where you went from the Westfall Milita to the Redridge Miltia and the Blackwatch, each group telling you they weren't getting any support from Stormwind and couldn't leave their zones to go help the others?
Yeah I think the fact that the citizens of practically 80% of the kingdom had to form organized militias to defend themselves because their kingdom wasn't sending any help speaks for itself.(##RESPBREAK##)264##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
So...... they're basically like the Drow houses. Lol, that's just great :PI'm...not a FR fan so no clue. Was thinking more like pretty much every representation of the Nobles who don't do anything out there, just going around making things harder for the rest of the world.
Yeah I think the fact that the citizens of practically 80% of the kingdom had to form organized militias to defend themselves because their kingdom wasn't sending any help speaks for itself.Indeed; with Onyxia playing Varian like a puppet, and Bolvar stunned, the Nobles were allowed to run rough shod over everyone else.
Post by
morginar
Yeah I think the fact that the citizens of practically 80% of the kingdom had to form organized militias to defend themselves because their kingdom wasn't sending any help speaks for itself.
Kinda ironic that the lvl 10-20 human zones still needs their millita, in duskwood there are complaints about how stormwinds are deaf to their please due to the thick walls or something. Redridge you hire old veterans. Westfall did get help from stormwind, only when sentinel hill was on fire.
And this is mainly due to the conflict with the horde.
I'm supriced that there isn't any internal conflict in the alliance. Viva le revolution, heads will roll.
Post by
Rankkor
I'm supriced that there isn't any internal conflict in the alliance. Viva le revolution, heads will roll.
They haven't rebelled for the same reason the horde didn't rebelled against Garrosh for so long.
These are medieval times, and people are used to the idea of a monarchy, the mere thought of electing leaders, or their leaders actually being responsible is completely alien and foreign, they simply have leaders, some of them are nice and work their asses off to make their lands as prosper as possible, others look out for their own interest and don't really care that their people suffer, and others actually MAKE their people suffer.
The horde only rebelled when garrosh took that extra step from negligence, to actual tyranny and started to hurt and kill his own people.
As long as Varian doesn't actually persecutes or oppresses his subjects, they wont rebel. No matter how much negligence the kingdom shows them.
Post by
morginar
the mere thought of electing leaders, or their leaders actually being responsible is completely alien and foreign
Gnomeregan says hi.
As long as Varian doesn't actually persecutes or oppresses his subjects, they wont rebel. No matter how much negligence the kingdom shows them.
Isn't the cata defias a rebelion created due to many human became homeless and penyless.
The westfall quester is the bad guy.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Gnomeregan says hi.
Meritocracy, not Democracy
Isn't the cata defias a rebelion created due to many human became homeless and penyless.
The westfall quester is the bad guy.
Pretty sure claming to be the good guy while engaging in banditry against those you represent makes you the bad guy.
The reason we have a militia in Westfall at all is because of Defias raiding.
You didn't think all those goblins were working for free did you?
Post by
morginar
Pretty sure claming to be the good guy while engaging in banditry against those you represent makes you the bad guy.
In the tale of Robin Hood and V for vandetta, is working for the british goverment making you the god guy in the story?
The reason we have a militia in Westfall at all is because of Defias raiding.
Exept the defias worked in the shadows, no one new they where around until it was to late. The first illegal activity that cought the eye of the militia was the murderer of a pair of people and a horse.
You didn't think all those goblins were working for free did you?They didn't get the gold to pay them fron westfall, no signs of robery, and the majority are homeless hobos.
Meritocracy, not Democracy They vote for who is to be the High tinker, the last election was between the last boss of gnomeregan and te current leader.
The consept of voting and elections exist in Azeroth.
Post by
Adamsm
Aye the gnomes are the only group on Azeroth who actually vote for the leader: Everyone else is chosen either through hereditary or because they are the biggest and strongest/smartest....and considering some of the idiot kings we've seen, maybe more of the races should follow the Gnomes example.
Quick run down:
Humans, Worgens, Dwarves all have Kings/Thanes.
Gnomes have their High Tinker Elect.
Night Elves leaders are chosen based on the Priestess hood.
Draenei have the Prophet who has been their leader for 25 thousand years.
Blood Elves have a Regent Lord since there is no longer anyone of the actual blood line to rule.
Orcs and Taurens have their Chieftain positions which can be passed down through either Blood Line or Strength of Arm/Wit; after all, Magtha almost took over the Tauren races following the assassination of the Old Bull.
Trolls are either chosen by the Loa or rule by strength.
Sylvanas took control of the Forsaken through Strength.
Goblin leaders are chosen based on how much money they can make the Cartel...though, they still call them Trade Princes.
Pandarens....well, it seems like the venerable Elders are the main leaders, going off the Lore stories and from what Zhu shows.
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Post by
Rankkor
Goblin leaders are chosen based on how much money they can make the Cartel...though, they still call them Trade Princes.
Goblins don't have a single unified leader. Each cartel has their own trade prince. After all Gallywix isn't calling the shots on the steamwheedle cartel, or the ventrue corporation.
But yes, the concept of free elections and democracy is foreign in azeroth, other than the gnomes which have a very different mind-set than the rest of azeroth.
Post by
morginar
Didn't blizzard make a "I didn't vote for you" joke somewhere?
And is there not a bunch of mayors in several villages?
gnomes which have a very different mind-set than the rest of azeroth.
Doesn't seem to stop people from taking their viewpoint in engineering.
Taking their tech is okay but not their political system?
Post by
Adamsm
Goblin leaders are chosen based on how much money they can make the Cartel...though, they still call them Trade Princes.
Goblins don't have a single unified leader. Each cartel has their own trade prince. After all Gallywix isn't calling the shots on the steamwheedle cartel, or the ventrue corporation.
That's what I meant Rank; the Trade Princes rule over the different Cartels, but it's usually the person who can make the most gold that is running things.
Post by
Rankkor
And is there not a bunch of mayors in several villages?
Only in the stormwind kingdom, and given how negligent the government is, it shouldn't be surprising.
gnomes which have a very different mind-set than the rest of azeroth.
Doesn't seem to stop people from taking their viewpoint in engineering.
Taking their tech is okay but not their political system?
Sure thing. We do the same thing with china.
OHH YES I WENT THERE
=P
Post by
oneforthemoney
And is there not a bunch of mayors in several villages?
Only in the stormwind kingdom, and given how negligent the government is, it shouldn't be surprising.
Mayors were common in the medieval period.
Post by
Monday
I'd like to point out that the gnomes haven't exactly fared too well with their system.
Not saying democracy is bad or anything, but looking to the gnomes for an example isn't exactly the best idea.
Post by
Adamsm
I'd like to point out that the gnomes haven't exactly fared too well with their system.
Not saying democracy is bad or anything, but looking to the gnomes for an example isn't exactly the best idea.
How do you figure that?
Post by
Monday
I'd like to point out that the gnomes haven't exactly fared too well with their system.
Not saying democracy is bad or anything, but looking to the gnomes for an example isn't exactly the best idea.
How do you figure that?
Since they STILL don't have their city back, the major operation meant to retake it failed miserably and they have mostly dropped off of the global radar.
None of these scream "successful government" to me.
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