General Lore Discussions

Post by Rankkor

GO WARLOCK.

I mean it lil' bro, their green fire quest is pure nerdgasm for any lore fans out there. And demonology/Destruction are ridiculously awesome and fun.

Post by Rankkor

ok I'm SERIOUSLY confused about their Q&A

Get a load of this:

Q&A
Any update on the book that was being written about Kael'thas?
We are making progress and it is near completion

Meh, not really interested on how many setbacks he had.

How is this time travel going to work with the story?
We aren't going back in time, the Dark Portal is turning red, bad guys are coming through. We look at the Orc Clans as they were, but things are happening now. The end of this expansion will launch the next one.

Did Outland happen or was it changed by going back in time?
Outland is still out there.

Will we have two of characters due to the time travel?
No, this isn't a time travel or paradox story, it is about going to Draenor.

What the hell. If this isn't a time-traveling story, then how come a bunch of dead people are alive again, and how come a dead planet is not dead anymore? Are we traveling then to a parallel dimension like how thrall did in the Twilight of the Aspects novel? that's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

Will Garrosh be redeemed?
No, but we will provide a satisfying ending for you and him.

THANK.GOD. If we end up fighting him again, would you promise that not only he'll die, it will also hurt?

Is Chris Metzen going to voice the father of Thrall?
No.

wow, didn't see that coming.

Where is Orgrim Doomhammer?
You will see him. He isn't one of the chief Warlords, but he is definitely involved and you will see his story.

Well duh, he was second in command to Blackhand and only rose to prominence when he relieved him of his command.

How will characters be impacted by seeing family that they never knew?
Garrosh and Thrall didn't know their parents well, so this gives us a chance to show them learning about their family and history. Thrall meets his family and it is really what he needs.

=O interesting.

Is there a chance of looking at alternative realities based on what we change by going back in time?
Yes, it will give us that opportunity. It affects our current timeline, but does not affect the past.

Hmm, so its an alternate timeline that is somehow bleeding into our current present. Weird, but ok, it certainly save us a lot of retconning from messing with the past.

What is going on with the Dragonmaw?
Zaela goes back with Garrosh.

Yep, there goes another awesome character tainted by garrosh. God-dammit I really need that cancer to die already and stop polluting more people.

Will we see Thrall's mom? Grandma?
Yes and yes.

Awesome, and Awesomer. Geia is probably the greatest grandmother EVER. It only makes me despise garrosh even more, because having this awesome woman as his mentor and maternal figure he was still whiny and emo back in TBC.

Is Aggra going to go back with Thrall?
No.

/cue Beethoven's Ode to Joy

What about Garona?
We will see her.

YES!!!! her cameo in cataclysm didn't really do her justice.

Does Grom age?
Yes, he is aging. He is old enough to be Thrall's dad now.

wait...... he was already old enough to be Thrall's dad back in Lord of the Clans and Warcraft 3.

The timeline is during Rise of the Horde?
Garrosh goes back a few years before they drink the blood. So it is during Rise of the Horde before critical events take place.

poop. I wanted to explore how orc culture lived like BEFORE they were transformed into the warmongering culture they are today.

What is going on with Sylvanas?
She is in the background doing crafty things.

Good. And if we're lucky, she's gonna stay there for as long as possible.

We will put the spotlight on her one day.

NOOOOOOOO

Will the Blood Elves play a role in this expansion?
Yes. Blood Elf paladins, how the light works, and what the Draenei have been up to will be explained.

SIN'DOREI LORE. ANALA'RA BELORE

Is Silvermoon going to be updated?
No.

Why? its the greatest city in the game T_T

What kind of Shamanism will we see on Draenor and will it change our Shamanism?
You will see Drek'thar going blind from messing with the elements and other shamanism story.

Wait what? o_O this is just like the grom age comment, man I wish I was there to point these out to them. Drek'thar went blind long after becoming a warlock. He was never a blind shaman.

Post by Monday

Chris Metzen voices everyone.

Post by morginar

We will put the spotlight on her one day.
NOOOOOOOO

Sweet mother of a eight leged horse.

Probably the windrunner reunion.

Or some redemtion back into anti-hero like she was in wc3.

Hope we get to see Liadrin wielding Quel-Delar and statying single.

Post by Monday

GO WARLOCK.

I mean it lil' bro, their green fire quest is pure nerdgasm for any lore fans out there. And demonology/Destruction are ridiculously awesome and fun.

I leveled a demo warlock for awhile. I might go destro this time.

Post by Adamsm

Temple of Karabor, as said in the information, is the new Alliance city, not a Sanc.

As for the Time Travel Aspect: Did we not just spend an entire group of quest lines viewing into an alternate version of the Siege of Ogrimmar? Shouldn't be surprised that we are heading towards an alternate version of Draenor...plus you know, could just be a matter of things blowing up before the start of Tides of Darkness /shrug.

Post by bromil

If level one hundred is, indeed, the last WoW expansion as purported by some of you

It's not. Metzen even said today that they're prepping expansion sets "like bullets in a six-shooter", so there'll be as many expansions as people are willing to buy.

really confuses me. Like I said, MANY EXPLANATIONS are required.

A ~~wizard~~ Bronze Dragon did it. They've played around with alternate timelines before in the novels, and that's probably what they're doing here. Garrosh's actions will just result in a parallel Old Draenor that has no effect on our timeline (which does beg the question of why we even *care* about what trouble Garry starts two dimensions over...)

Post by Adamsm

(which does beg the question of why we even *care* about what trouble Garry starts two dimensions over...)

Um...because if we don't something about it, there is going to be the Iron Horde running over the face of Azeroth?

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Post by Adamsm

I just hope Draka is kick ass; if she's not, I'm going Blizzard head hunting.

Post by morginar

I wonder how Akama and Nobundo is going to be like.

And one of the forgotten races geting lore! That is good, even with all the timey whimey stuff.

Post by Adamsm

Akama is apparently the leader of the Vindicators when you get to the new zone. No word on Nobundo yet.

Post by Rankkor

Garrosh's actions will just result in a parallel Old Draenor that has no effect on our timeline (which does beg the question of why we even *care* about what trouble Garry starts two dimensions over...)

From what I was able to understand, the actions take place in an alternate universe, however we CARE about what gary is doing over there, because this alternate dimention is bleeding into our own, with the iron horde posing a threat to both the alliance and the actual horde.

I do dearly hope I can avoid every orc family reunion like the plague. Any more angsty Thrall whiny cry-cry feels sessions and I'm going to tear off the head of every Horde fanboy I can find, in one angry rampage of anger and neglect.

D=

*ducks for cover*

Also the pre-expansion event better be decent or I will cry. Cataclysm was a letdown, and Mists was just pitiful.

For all intents and purposes mists had no pre-expansion event. We just had a little preview of a 10min scenario and that's that. No context, no explanations, and no integration.

I actually liked the pre-cata event, even made a very popular Guide for it back in the day (it even got stickied in the now defunct Cataclysm board)

Too bad that it was a gameplay exclusive thing. For all intents and purposes, in the lore, it never happened. It was never referenced in any book, and in the Shattering, the closest we get to it is a fire in orgrimmar, but not an actual elemental invasion of any kind.

But as far as pre-expansion events goes, that one was pretty good, as it was challenging, well rewarding, fun, and it didn't annoyed players who didn't wanted to participate on it (only 2 cities per faction were invaded). Unlike the zombie event where one could grief like a pro'

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Post by Adamsm

Also the pre-expansion event better be decent or I will cry. Cataclysm was a letdown, and Mists was just pitiful.

What do you think Hyper?

Post by Snake387

Also the pre-expansion event better be decent or I will cry. Cataclysm was a letdown, and Mists was just pitiful.

What do you think Hyper?

The Death Knight experience was pretty awesome I must say even though I accidentally skipped the Battle at Light's Hope Chapel. So if it's anything as awesome as the Death Knight experience, I'll be happy.

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Post by Rankkor

You might look at the time travel like how I wrote my Second Chances RP.

Yes, there is time travel, but you end up landing into an alternate timeline, not your own past, so anything you do there doesn't affect yourself.

There are probably better examples, but I can't think of them offhand.

A better example is the little journey thrall made on Twilight of the Aspects, where he ended in an alternate timeline where he never survived as a baby, and blackmoore was the main bad guy.

We're technically not traveling to the past, we're traveling to a different timeline that is now bleeding into ours.

But the thing is that we are now fighting in this alternate universe to stop Garrosh form invading that time's Azeroth. Or ours. Or something of that ilk, it was never clear.

It was. We're fighting him to prevent him from invading our timeline.

So even though we are not necessarily rewriting our timeline, we're doing so to this alternate reality, but since we are also in that reality, we are essentially rewriting a canon anyway.

Well, there's two things to consider about this, A: Garrosh already changed that alternate timeline by giving the orcs more advanced technology, which gave them even a greater edge against the draenei, and prevented the orcs (Save perhaps the shadowmoon and stormreaver clans) from ever practicing demon magic and replacing shamans with warlocks. His ultimate goal is prevent the orcs from drinking the blood of mannoroth, and then unleash this "Sober" horde upon our azeroth, rather than the azeroth of THAT timeline (of which he couldnt' care less about)

So, what I'm trying to get at, is that we're not really doing that much damage to the timeline, since garrosh already did a lot of significant changes to it.

B: We're doing damage control. The changes made by garrosh are too severe to fix (that doesn't make any sense, why can't we travel to the exact moment when gary emerges from the portal, and stop him before he's done anything at all? why must we travel specifically long after he's set everything else in motion?) so we're in there to prevent the situation from getting worse. Because we now have a technologically advanced horde that outnumbers the alliance and our horde siginificantly (remember, in the first and second wars, the orcs handily won against the alliance due to the use of zerg rush, their demonic frenzy made them dumb in a fight so they used raw numbers to overwhelm, and as such lost thousands upon thousands of their members)

So, to sum it up: We're simply cleaning up Garrosh's mess (again, ugh, why can't that cancer just roll over and die already?) and preventing a bad situation from getting worse.

So though ours exists unchanged, it matters not because we are basically sandboxing a second Azeroth anyway, rewriting that second canon. So the real question is, what's the point?

Why should we care? hmm lets use names, we're gonna name our timeline, Timeline A. In Timeline A, the orcs drank the demon blood, crossed the dark portal, first and second war, blah blah blah. Then there's Timeline B: in it, Draenor is still pristine, the orcs have been set against the draenei but still haven't replaced their shamans with warlocks, and still haven't partaken in the blood of mannoroth.

Garrosh (Through means unknown) has somehow managed to make Dark Portal from Timeline A go red and connect to Dark Portal from Timeline B. And set in motion a number of events. NO warlocks, no fel blood, but also gave (I Dunno how, he didn't exactly studied engineering, he commissioned goblins to do it for him, what, he memorized the schematics?) the orcs of the past, technology from the present to give them an edge.

This is bad because the Dark Portal now connects Timeline A to Timeline B. And the big frigging army from Timeline B WILL invade our dimension if they're not stopped.

This whole thing is ignoring that by doing what he just did, Garrosh more or less doomed the Azeroth of Timeline B. Because with no horde to invade them, there's no alliance, and with no alliance or horde fighting together, the legion wins. But of course this is not the first time this happens, given that the alternate timeline thrall visited was also doomed to be destroyed by the legion's return.

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