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Post by
Behelich
Yeah, at this one I'm inclined to say that the Alliance crazy is worse than Horde crazy. I mean, warlocks are semi-tolerated, after all, but enslaving children is just. Ugh.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
What follows is a series of quests where your faction engages the opposite faction in a different base (Alliance Forces attack Twinspire Keep. Horde Forces attack the Stromgarm Airstrip.) and see how the oposite faction has become batsh1t crazy due to the sha. The Horde forces are summoning demons and using them as shock troopers, slaves, and energy batteries, as well as keeping pandaren children hostage to deter any attacks on their base. Alliance is just as bad, since they kidnapped an entire pandaren village (Adults and children alike) and used both as slaves to do their manual labor.
If I still played wow I'd be feeling so much Alliance pride right now (sarcasm)......YA KIDNAPPING WOMAN AND CHILDREN AND FORCING THEM INTO SLAVE LABOR WOO FOR THE ALLIANCE!
Well, if it makes you feel better, neither of these (the horde crazy tactics, or the alliance crazy tactics) are approved by either Varian or Garrosh. This was just 2 commanders for each side going completely crazy by the Sha.
Notice that the horde base with demons and children hostage is not a "playable" horde base, all the people in there are NPCs, and the alliance base with the civilian slaves is also not a "playable" alliance base, its an NPC base that gets taken down during the story.
Yeah, at this one I'm inclined to say that the Alliance crazy is worse than Horde crazy. I mean, warlocks are semi-tolerated, after all, but enslaving children is just. Ugh.
"fistpumping" ~ Chris Metzen
I agree, I mean, there's doing bad things because you have to, and then there's
this
. I mean this is just black for the sake of blackness.
again, none of that was approved neither by alliance high command, nor horde high command. Hell, if Nazgrim was the one who confronted Ga'trul, he would had beheaded him right then and there. The horde don't use demon magic no more, and children as hostages................... if garrosh totally flipped out at children being killed on stonetalon, I doubt he's gonna tolerate hostages either.
Ditto for the alliance, The Sky Admiral Rogers may be a hardass but even she would had also punished Captain Doren if she had seen what he did on the Airstrip. Both cases are Alliance and Horde, behaving very much Anti-Alliance and Anti-Horde respectively.
Neither is meant to be representative of what each faction normally resorts to when fighting.
All in all, I liked the intro for both sides, I just wish they had been different, I mean, both are 90% the exact same thing. If it wasn't for one side losing their gunship, and the other side failing to completely take over the second base, they'd be 100% the exact same thing.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
I suppose you have a point
'Course I do, I'm (almost) never wrong.
'Sides, you (as in you) don't even get to SEE the crazy alliance tactics, since the Strongarm Airstrip is only visited during the horde quest-chain, ditto for the crazy horde tactics, Twinspire Keep is only visited during the alliance quest-chain.
I think both sides got that crazy mostly because they got separated by their main group. The horde forces at Twinspire Keep were actually a splinter of the main horde invasion force that got separated when the Horde Admiral got killed during a naval battle, forcing the warlock Ga'trul to take over and resort to desperate tactics (there is even in-fighting between the orcs and the forsaken)
The Alliance forces at the Strongarm Airstrip also got separated from the main alliance force, and their admiral (I think it was taylor) got either killed or separated I dunno, this forced Captain Doren to take over, and resort to desperate tactics. In both sides, the "isolated" groups thought the rest of the invasion force was decimated (Doren thought his forces where the only alliance troops on pandaria, Ga'trul thought his were the only horde troops on pandaria)
This had a dual effect. First off, that they could act without fear of reprisal by high command, since they were (supossedly) the only forces of their faction left. And second, a fear that without reinforcements, they'd be overrun and killed by the opposite faction, or the hostile forces in pandaria.
The mix of fear of death, and the illusion of lack of consequences led both sides to do those desperate tactics.
all in all, it makes for an excelent story, I just wish it was somewhat different for each side, but I guess I know why they made them identical. IF they had been different, people would had complained that X side was better than theirs =/
and I assume they're cutting corners to get the game out faster, hence both intros being 99% the same. They really need to stop rushing stuff.
and this is where I disagree the most, they already had a full working
Alliance and Horde
intros for pandaria, and if they wanted to just get the game out, they could had worked on those. Instead they felt they weren't impressive enough (and they werent) and this is why they redid the whole thing from scratch. I wouldn't call that "cutting corners"
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
I know it's good to have black elements in the factions, I was worried that you had to do quests for that group enslaving pandaren children, and that you'd have to do more stuff like that later on. I'm okay with black for the sake of white, but not black for no reason other than to be black.
well, since you in particular refuse to do horde quests, you won't even see those alliance soldiers enslaving the pandaren villagers, that base is not a quest-hub, its a target objective for the horde quest-chain.
Just as horde players won't see the demon-summoning and children-hostages on Twinspire because that too isn't a quest-hub, its a quest-objective in an alliance quest-chain.
As for wheter or not this is done elsewhere on pandaria, while I haven't dwelved into 100% details (I'm trying to not spoil too much of the story to myself, this was the intro, stuff I'll see within hours of the game going live, so it didn't mattered) I can tell you this:
There are very few faction quests on pandaria, most of the quests are neutral (And thus identical to both sides)
Apart from that intro on the jade forest (which eventually both paths end at Dawn Blossom's Village, and from there the story is the same for both sides) the only faction content on pandaria is on karasang wilds where a group of night elves and a group of tauren fight each other for some sparkly waters of life.
And they get another clash up on Kun-Lai summit, but the details on that one are 100% obscure for me. I Do know however that neither on karasang, nor on Kun-Lai is there a repeat of what happens on the Jade Forest, so the Black tactics of alliance and horde there were isolated incidents.
Post by
Adamsm
so the Black tactics of alliance and horde there were isolated incidents.And those are influenced by the Sha so....
Post by
Jameja
Does the worgen and troll druids have leaders similar to Hamuul and Malfurion?
I was thinking Zen'tabra for the trolls but I wasn't sure if this was explained somewhere and as for the worgen I can't think of any. Havn't played that much of the worgen yet.
Post by
Rankkor
Does the worgen and troll druids have leaders similar to Hamuul and Malfurion?
I was thinking Zen'tabra for the trolls but I wasn't sure if this was explained somewhere and as for the worgen I can't think of any. Havn't played that much of the worgen yet.
For the trolls Zen'tabra and for the Worgen Celestine "should" be their class leaders, but they haven't really had any sort of protagonism at all in the game.
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541571
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Post by
Adamsm
Since there is a great big whirlpool of death in the middle of the ocean between the continents, and Shen-zin Su was wandering in the Mists on the edge of Pandaria itself, it makes sense that they were still unknown.
However, Chen and the few Pandaren explorers were probably those who took a boat out to indulge in their wunderlust and ended up on Kalimdor.
And of course, the Pandarens were April Fool's jokes in WC3, and were only slightly expanded on in the RPG books that are still on the semi-non-canon mark(though, some of the things on Pandaria existed in the books too).
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541571
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Post by
Adamsm
De nada.
Post by
Adamsm
Hey look, no true spoilers lol.
Post by
Rankkor
I agree with that.
The whole elemental invasion, and the preceding events (operation gnomeregan and zalazane's fall) were spoiled big time due to these events being on the PTR for way too long.
Heck, by the time I did them on live, any possible excitement I could have had for them was long gone. Its best if its left unspoiled for when it goes live.
Not that I'll have any fun doing that piece of crap.
Yay, as horde I get to destroy one of my favorite cities on the game, and if I do it as alliance, I get to see my second-favorite character on the whole damn game be turned into Sylvannas 2.0
/sarcasm.
what a thrill
/sarcasm
Post by
Rankkor
LAWL
Post by
Rankkor
WHAT THE HELL?
how come I Didn't knew that this existed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2bvmHRR0rQ&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNpwl_2ul_A&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZrTxFnQPQ&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmFI31NkJk&feature=relmfu
I should check blizzard's youtube channel more often.
Post by
Adamsm
Holy early pre-ordering Batman!
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781960
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