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Post by Adamsm

Sounds like they were preparing for war, so probably killed in battle against Sha-touched Horde.

Post by Rankkor

Sounds like they were preparing for war, so probably killed in battle against Sha-touched Horde.

not exactly.

Warning: Spoilers ahead.

The horde never gets the chance (at least for now) to be sha-touched. As far as I've read on the revamped horde quest on Jade Forest, when Nazgrim arrives, the author of that journal manages to really piss him off, he goes all pale, and it looks like sha may start to possess him, but just then a shado-pan agent swoops down and exorcises the sha out of Nazgrim.

Unfortunately, it was too late for the human commander Captain Doren, eventually you attack the airfield they built (using pandaren slaves, children included), free the captives, capture the airfield, and rout out the alliance from there. Then chase Doren to a cave, confront him, and at 10% his madness goes into overdrive and becomes full sha.

He and his alliance forces did managed to do a lot of damage to the horde before being put down, including shooting down YET ANOTHER horde gunship (T_T My god, its like the devs just love to sink these down, why haven't we seen a billion alliance gunships go down?)

Post by Monday

Because Alliance airships > Horde ones. Didn't we have this conversation back before Cata started?

Post by Adamsm

We seem to have it a lot lol. Think it might be time for a new engineer to start designing Horde airships; at least water wise the Horde still seems to be winning lol.

Post by Rankkor

Because Alliance airships > Horde ones. Didn't we have this conversation back before Cata started?

No, the real reason is because there's only 3 alliance ships in the whole game whereas there are over 8 horde ones.

Most of the horde ones have never been brought down by other gunships but by other means, such as internal sabotage, or plain simple lucky shots from a naval vessel.

Its just creator favoritism that the one alliance ship to have been shot down did so offscreen (the one ship hovering on deepholm is supposed to crash at some point given that its sole pilot is dying, and there are no more official alliance or horde presence in the area.

Post by Adamsm

I'm...not really sure how I feel about a Black suing for Peace between the factions. I'm really really looking forward to the quests that Wrath is going to end up giving us over the course of the expansion; especially that thing about letting him know when the naval fleet arrives in 5.1.

Post by Rankkor

well............... I'll be damned, a black wanting peace........ Now that's something I'd never see coming.

Speaking of blacks, why hasn't Wrathion asked any of the other flights for a female to rebuild his flight? I mean, I'm pretty sure the father has a dominant factor on the color of the kid..........

I guess his main reason to not do that would be that the flight to grant him a female would do so with a lot of strings attached.

Post by Adamsm

Probably because he doesn't want to rebuild the flight right now; maybe he feels he has to make up for everything Deathwing did before he'll settle down and start raising a new Black flight...or maybe he feels they need to just vanish into the Mists of Time.

Post by Behelich

I don't think Wrathion is particularly keen on getting new relatives. He has family issues.

On a more serious note, maybe he just prefers subtle influence over leadership.

Post by Rankkor

I still think the main reason would be the strings attached.

The one flight who grants him a mate, would have a significantly bigger sway than the others, not for nothing he chose to escape from them, because he knew he'd be used as a political tool if he remained with the reds.

As it stands right now, all 4 remaining flights have about the same power and influence, but if either of them interbreeds with the blacks, that will upset the balance of power.

Post by Adamsm

Or, since we've seen the Flight leaders with multiple consorts before, he technically could have asked for one from each Flight, so that way no one Flight would have a hold over him.

Though, considering that Alexstraza was more then willing to help Malygos repopulate his Flight(before his second crazy spell), I can't really see her trying to create a hold like that on Wrath...but well, as the Legendary Rogue quests show, he wants this own life.

Now, just wonder if Sabellan is going to show up or not at some point to duke it out with Wrath heh.

Post by Behelich

Sabellian was a swell guy. I hope that Wrathion missed him when he explicitly stated he has all of the blacks killed.

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Post by Adamsm

Guess we're just suppose to take it that she was killed.

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Post by Morec0

That's one plot hole that left me scratching my head. Wrathion claims he's the last black drake alive, but there's a lot of unaccounted blacks out there. The main one is Sabellian who is back at outland, but there's some in azeroth that never got dealt with (Like that fertile female black dragon on stonetalon)

Blizzard forgot, like falstad.

Well, if you remember, in Twilight Highlands the black dragon you kill there is reffered to as the last fertile female as well, so it seems were indeed supposed to take it that, even if were were not explicity told to track them down, Wrathion had all of the other black dragons killed "to his knowledge." While I'm betting all of those on Azeroth are gone, if that's not a setup for a family reunion I don't know what is.

Post by Rankkor

Well, alliance intro to pandaria is out........... and I'm disappointed.

Don't get me wrong, its not that the intro for alliance is lame or anything, but rather, the intro for both factions is pretty much the exact same.

Its almost as bad as the intro for Vashj, with both factions having the exact same pattern.

For both sides it goes roughly like this:

Big gunship departs to pandaria (Skyfire for alliance, Hellscream's Fist for the horde) said gunship encounters an enemy fleet (Several smaller horde frigates in the alliance side, one big alliance battlecruiser on the horde side) Both gunships engage the naval forces, and decimate them, while taking some damage in return.

The gunships then attack a base belonging to the enemy (Alliance forces attack a horde base called "Garrosh'ar Point", Horde forces attack an alliance base called "Thunder Hold") they kill enemy personnel and enemy supplies are destroyed. Then you confront the enemy commander (An orc Warlock called "Ga'trul" in the alliance side, and a Night elf dude called "Captain Doren") but before you can kill him, he flees the scene. (Doren does so by Gyrocopter, destroying the horde Gunship in the process, Ga'trul does so via teleportation circle.)

After this happen, your own commander gets semi-possessed by the Sha, grows pale in color and his arms transform into Sha arms (Night Elf dude for the alliance, Nazgrim for the horde) however, they're saved in the nick of time by the leader of the shado-pan, who not only expells the sha out of your commander, he also chews you out (regardless of faction) for bringing war into pandaria.

What follows is a series of quests where your faction engages the opposite faction in a different base (Alliance Forces attack Twinspire Keep. Horde Forces attack the Stromgarm Airstrip.) and see how the oposite faction has become batsh1t crazy due to the sha. The Horde forces are summoning demons and using them as shock troopers, slaves, and energy batteries, as well as keeping pandaren children hostage to deter any attacks on their base. Alliance is just as bad, since they kidnapped an entire pandaren village (Adults and children alike) and used both as slaves to do their manual labor.

Eventually you launch a full head on assault on the enemy base. Alliance forces fail to capture Twinspire Keep, but manage to free the hostages, kill the demons, and slay the enemy commander (who transforms himself fully into sha). Horde forces successfully take over permanently Strongarm Airstrip, free the slaves, and kill the enemy commander (who also transforms fully into sha)

All in all, both intros are 99% the same. The only difference is that both sides gain something and lose something.

Horde forces lose their gunship but gain a new base. Alliance forces fail to take the horde fortress, but at least keep their gunship intact.

All in all, I was expecting both sides to be different, =/ sadly this was not the case.

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Post by Rankkor

I didn't read most of your post because I don't really want spoilers on what happens (I did that far too much for Cataclysm >.<) but the beginning part is somewhat disappointing. I don't have any Horde characters that I've leveled much higher than Outlands for that exact reason... the quests in Outlands between the Alliance and the Horde are more-or-less EXACTLY the same.

Which is really frustrating when all you want is a little bit of variety from your normal experience. /grumble

I know right?

/sighs.

Choosing a faction is supposed to matter, but other than some exceptional quest-chains on each side (Hero of the Mag'har, Recruitment of the Taunka, and Dragonmaw Revolution on the horde, The Past of Arthas, the Frost King, ect for the alliance) both sides are more or less the same.

However I will point out that on the outland case, the quests are only identical on hellfire, and zangarmarsh, they start to deviate on terrokar, and are flatout different on nagrand, shadowmoon, and blade's edge.

On Northrend is less notorious, with both sides having more or less different quests on all zones.

Cataclysm takes the cake though. Deepholm, Uldum, and Hyjal are 100% neutral, with zero faction-exclusive quests. Vashjir has a lot of faction-exclusive quests................. that are identical to EVERYTHING in the other side, the only thing that changes is the flavor text, NPC names, and that's it, even the names are the same. Pretty much the only part that is different for both sides on cataclysm, is the first third of Twilight Highlands.

Ohh and about the spoilers, I'm doing the same as you ;) I spoiled too much for myself with cata, so this time I'm limiting myself to intro-quests only, since this is stuff I'll find out within the first hours anyways. I've not read anything from the other zones, or the more advanced quests in the Jade Forest (and I don't plan to, I want all of that to be a surprise)

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