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Post by Adamsm

So, expanded universe page is supposed to have release dates for future novels and what have you. It's not up yet?

Wassupwitdat?

Since there is only Jaina's book coming out in the summer, and the two still unreleased graphic novels, not really much more to stick up there heh.

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Post by Adamsm

Since there is only Jaina's book coming out in the summer, and the two still unreleased graphic novels, not really much more to stick up there heh.
Neither are even considered upcoming.

I assume the Graphic Novels are the TPBs of the comic runs?

Nope; original stories: Alliance one was going to be the Dark Riders(you know, the guys in Duskwood who may or may not have a connection to Karazhan), and the Horde book was about an Orc and a Tauren and the wacky adventures they go on(okay not really, as I've completely forgotten what the blurb said about them at this point in time). The GN's were meant to be out at the start of this year...but we all see what happened there.

And as Jaina has gone through 4 reposts of when it's suppose to be out(April, May, June and July is the current release date), they may just want to hold off.

Post by Falrinn

Thank you! May I ask what your opinion on this is : http://www.wowpedia.org/images/thumb/4/41/Horde-alliance_pandaren.jpg/800px-Horde-alliance_pandaren.jpg

Do you think this was meant to be a joke description, or was it honesty? Because I can't for the life of me see anything that would imply it's a joke, nor can I think of any feesable reason for it to be one.

That's definately the final version or very nearly so. For those of you who want to see a joke version of the picture, here's what it looked like at BlizzCon.

Blizzard is not subtle in their jokes.

Now to be fair, I suppose it isn't conclusively impossible for the Horde prisoners to have indeed participated in the Deathwing encounter since there isn't any explicit proof either way. However when I look at all the circumstantial evidence as a whole, I find the majority of evidence points to the Horde prisoners not having participated in the Deathwing encounter. That may have been Blizzard's original intent (hence why the Skyfire was used at all), but it's fairly common for major story elements to radically change this early in development.

Post by Rankkor

This thread keeps getting reported. I don't really think there's anything to moderate here but while I am here I'll add a quick reminder to keep things friendly, debate the points and not the person and that it's okay to agree to disagree - even on the internet.

On-topic - seems to me that the descriptions linked are how the factions would represent themselves. Like when a politician tells you about themselves to try and acquire your vote, they're probably not lying but they may well be bending reality to its limit in order to present themselves in the best possible light.
Surely the whole point is that the factions have good and bad points and players can make up their own minds about it.

this is what we've tried to tell soldrethar, that the pic is the faction doing in-game advertisement. Specifically Delora describing the alliance to the pandarens, and Korga describing the horde to the pandarens.

But no, soldrethar insists that this is BLIZZARD describing the alliance and horde to players, and that the fact taht they included the words "monstrous and agression" on the horde, but no negative adjetives on the alliance seems to imply that the alliance is pure and clean while the horde are 1 day away from barbarism.

We've tried in the most consistent and exemplified way to say to soldrethar that NEITHER FACTION IS THE GOOD GUYS (By pointing out several NASTY actions done by the alliance such as breaking the peace treaty with the invasion of Durotar, and Honor Point, which happened before the horde attack on gilneas and ashenvale, the assassins sent after thrall, who also fired on any bystander there, and the excessive cruelty of the concentration camps on the second war)

What does soldrethar does? yell THAT WAS JUSTIFIED, or say "those don't count" or "that was retconned" or "those were bad apples"

I bet most of the reports come from him, because nobody in this board (who's made up of people who know and respect their lore and canon) is willing to put up with this BS.

this is not the first time this has happened Asakawa, we've had other users like him in the past (if my memory serves, 4 to be more accurate) and as long as someone comes to THIS board to be posting BS, we will call that person out on their bias if they do.

Now sold, as you can see, its not just adamsm, sigma, or myself, more and more people keep saying that the picture at the end of the pandaren zone is IN-UNIVERSE advertisement made by both sides. Not blizzard saying to us any messages or nothing.

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Post by asakawa

This should not become a discussion of who clicked report. As I said, while it's clear the discussion isn't an especially fruitful one, I don't see a great deal that warrants moderation.

I did, however, remind everyone to debate the points and not the people. Frustration can quickly lead to behaviour that does require moderation so if you find yourself become frustrated, step away from the computer for a while or step away from the discussion all together.

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Post by Rankkor

And there's a difference between "the factions advertising themselves to pandaren" and "it's just an in game joke by blizzard". They're not just advertising to the pandaren, but also the players. The players need to know what both factions are like before they pick a side, so why give them false information?

You do realize of course that this is a 7 year old game, on a 20 year old franchise, and that by now players already know the factions inside out right? Come on, Asakawa already stated his own opinion on how this is in-game advertisement done by each faction to the newcomers to azeroth (the pandaren) are you gonna call HIM biased too? Every single text within the game (excluding skill/talent tooltips) is written as in-universe by someone.

That just leads to future disappointment. If blizzard didn't want the alliance to be good guys, they wouldn't be describing them as such, new players should be told exactly what both sides are like so they know which side to choose, lying to them is just plain wrong.

Except that A: they didn't described the alliance as good guys, they simply described them and that's that. Ze endo, they didn't added an extra line at the bottom that says "pick these guys if you wanna save damsels and sport a shiny armor and be captain america". Its not lying, its advertisement, a simple description based on half truths. Notice how the horde description conviniently ignores the forsaken and all the crazy sh1t they've been doing since.......... ever. And how the alliance description convinently ignores the xenophobia, and excessive cruelty they display to their prisoners as well as the hypocrisy and plain corruption.

Both sides describe themselves to the new in-game faction, everyone (even moderators who don't even visit this board often) can see it but YOU.

And why don't you read falrinn's posts, since he doesn't agree with you either, stop thinking you speak for the entire lore community when barely anyone here has even gotten into this argument.

Now this is sad. You're so desperate to find someone ANYONE on your side that you're grasping straws now. Falrin said he wasn't exactly sure the prisoners on the skybreaker (and by proxy the very alliance crew of the skybreaker itself) were fresh off the battle of deathwing, or if several months had passed since this battle, and while its the same ship, its a new crew, and a different squad of horde soldiers.

That's all he said, at no point he has given credence to your delusions of how the alliance is morally superior, or unblemished, or the good guys, that's YOU adding words to him because you NEED someone to agree with you.

You wont find anyone (on this board at least) to agree with you, while you keep ignoring the parts of the lore you don't like, and inventing BS on the spot to try to adjust the ingame events to YOUR perspective.

IF you wanna find people like that, go to a website where people make up their own BS and get praised by others for doing so. In other words, go that way ---------------------->

Actually......the reports are probably coming from you, sigma, and adamsm due to your excessive insults.

o_O so wait, lemme see if I understood you correctly.

I said that most of the reports probably came from you, because you see us disagreeing with you, and saying nobody on this board will lend any credence to your word as an attack, you however, say that.............. the insults are coming from us................. and despite US being the ones insulting, WE are also the ones who issued the reports?

Can Not Compute.

On a more lighthearted note:

Badass Mosaic is Badass

(but they got Aysa wrong, her hair is black, nor brown. Unless they changed her on a recent build and I don't know about it)

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Post by Rankkor

lawl

Also, it seems ulduar may have had some foreshadowing on the sha, I mean look at this: Ulduar Stained Glass vs Concept Art of the Sha

Edit: Also I've noticed something curious regarding the maps of pandaria.

Now, this "could" be that the maps are just works in progress, but somehow I got this hunch:

There are few alliance or horde bases on pandaria. Look at outland, and all the many alliance and horde settlements on it (Honor Hold, Thrallmar, Falcon Watch, Thelhamat, Zabra'jin, Teldredor, Stonebreaker Hold, Allerian Hold, ect ect). Now look at northrend and how it has EVEN MORE alliance and horde bases (Conquest hold, Warsong Hold, Agmar's Hammer, Valiance Keep, Wintergarde Keep, Venomspite, Amberpine Lodge, Valgarde, Fort Wildevar, Westguard Keep, ect ect).

Now look at pandaria, look at the maps revealed thus far: (notice the marked settlements)

Jade Forest. Only bits that could be classified as alliance or horde bases are "hellscream's Hope" and "Fort Grookin" The rest of the settlements seem more like for the natives.

Now lets see Valley of the Four Winds. Again, judging by the names on the map, none seem to be horde or alliance.

Now check Kasarang Wilds. The only 2 spots that could be considered horde or alliance are a small Sentinel basecamp, and a new Horde town called "New Taurajo" (YAY! =D)

Now Check Kun-lai Summit no noticeable alliance or horde settlements.

and last map revealed for now: Valley of Eternal Blossoms No noticeable alliance or horde settlements.

This "could" mean that during the course of the game, unlike outland or northrend which were more or less conquered by both factions, with both sides claiming big chunks of land, and establishing large military or civilian towns there, that on pandaria, we don't really conquer anything. And instead, the bases that are alliance-friendly or Horde-friendly, are due to the Tushui and Houjin pandarens respectively.

Food for thought.

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Post by Adamsm

You are free to do so....but don't act like it's the honest truth either or that you speak for the entire Wowhead community either.

But still, our local mod put it best:
This should not become a discussion of who clicked report. As I said, while it's clear the discussion isn't an especially fruitful one, I don't see a great deal that warrants moderation.

I did, however, remind everyone to debate the points and not the people. Frustration can quickly lead to behaviour that does require moderation so if you find yourself become frustrated, step away from the computer for a while or step away from the discussion all together.

Edit: Also Rank, just let it go, don't rise to the current flame bait, as he's just projecting.

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Post by Adamsm

It's not flamebait when it's how I honestly feel.No it's definitely flame bait, since there isn't any reason at all to insult Rank or anyone else who disagrees with how you read something.

Post by 588688

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Post by Adamsm

And you've fired back with just as many insults over the course.

Post by hatman555

I'm not really in the mood to read lots of lore posts right now, but at the same time, its like the last 6 or 7 posts had no indication of what you guys are acting so hostile about.

So how about, you help me, help you, help me.....by posting a short recap on what your opinions are on the issues that are being discussed. Feel free to include counter point, and anything else you feel well help me better understand whats going on here, and possibly get this thread back on track.

Cheers,
Hat

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