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Post by
Adamsm
Oh give up already, you know for a fact that its the honest description for both sides, and the only reason you're denying it is because you don't wanna believe it. There is nothing indicating that it isn't serious, you don't have the slightest basis for assuming such. You just hate the idea and are trying to pretend it isn't true.
And again, how the hell does the description for horde paint the horde as villains?/sigh See, this is why Blizzard can't have jokes in game; people like you, who have no sense of humour, and think every thing is 100% serious, ruins it.
And, yet again, you leave out info that contradicts your point; the survivors of hillsbrad had 2 options, take the curse of the worgen and be immune to undeath, or become an undead servants of sylvanas. And they chose the curse, obviously.Not Curse of undeath or Worgen smart ass: Curse as in 'you cowardly dogs! how dare you do this!'. Jesu Christo.
When the did I say that? I said they are faction of good people who have high morals and ideals and have good goals, not that they are completely devoid of any bad.Anytime anyone brings up anything good about what Garrosh did, tries to make you realize the Horde is the same as the Alliance, etc etc etc; everything you post is through your biased Alliance fanism.
Opinion.And yours was an opinion too; it's true though, the standard good vs evil can be good, but right now, rather then doing anything in regards to the attempt at redeeming Garrosh that existed all through Cata, they dumped it for this fighting him. So yes, I'm hoping for a real redemption at the end that doesn't end with Garrosh's death.
The Alliance get Jojo Ironbrow though...Eh, as awesome as 'break things with my head' is, we still get the stick in the mud.
Post by
Rankkor
humm yo' the shadow hunters don't use stealth or hit in the dark. They use shadow magic yes, but nowhere I've seen them relying on stealth like an assassin or rogue would.
As for the Shattered hand, other orcs find them dishonorable, they are outcasts within most orcish society, though just like the warlocks, they are necessary outcasts.
Both sides have their spies and assassins (SI:7 for the alliance, Shattered Hand and Deathstalkers for horde) but the point we were trying to drive here, is that if the alliance was all shiny-justice-paragon-pureness-of-purity-white-sparkly, they wouldn't use assassins. Specially assassins that murder every innocent bystander to hide the deed. The fact that they use them, marks the fact that they aren't 100% white, but much like the horde, they are gray.
Who's got a darker shade of gray? does it really matters? what matters is that both sides have enough gray on their sides to be completely on equal footing regarding moral highground.
Most of the Lore&RP understands this, sadly there's always "that one guy" who does not. We've had many "that one guy" over the years, with sold that makes 5 unless I'm missing someone.
The Alliance get Jojo Ironbrow though...
Not really the same, Aysa is the leader of the alliance pandarens, not jojo, at best he's her assistant, but the real leader of the philosophy of the Tushui is Aysa. And sadly, Aysa is really a complete stiff.
Putting that aside though, I still think that the reason for the pandarens to join the alliance and horde is completely bonkers. They should had come up with a better excuse, after all they ARE going to be killing each other, despite the fact that they don't have any real reason to, they've been together since........ EVER.
Edit: Hey adamsm check the monk board, I left a question for you there on the zen garden.
Post by
Rankkor
Just checked the VERY FIRST horde quest for Jade Forest................ one of its quest rewards is a 2handed mace........ that makes Gurthalak completely worthless.
Kinda diminishes my motivation to keep trying madness every week till I have it =/
I mean, I'm gonna end up replacing it within literal MINUTES of going to pandaria. At least when moving from WOTLK to cata I kept my heroic Frost Giant Cleavers till mid-deepholm, but not this time, even if you have heroic
Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps
, the fact of the matter is that
Standard Bearer's War Cudgel
IS still superior. WAY superior. (heck, gurth's max weapon damage, is the battlemace's MIN weapon damage)
=/
great, now I've lost my motivation to farm madness >.>
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306612
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Post by
Adamsm
They may have the rift show up later; Ji and Aysa aren't bosom buddies, but they do disagree with each other a bunch.
But yeah, we know there are stealth units in the Horde, but they aren't really part of the honourable groups heh; which is why I went with Trolls, Orcs and Tauren in regards to how they respond to cowardly attacks like that.
Post by
Rankkor
Pretty sure they kind of do but in an atypical fashion. I could be wrong though. If so, just replace them with the Deathstalkers.
That's more like it.
I have ten bucks on they're not going to obey these rules and it will be a major rift between the Pandaren and both leaders.
I can see that happening. I mean, nowhere in the starting zone do I see Ji and Aysa leaving on bad terms. They were good friends before the arrival of the alliance and horde, and were still good friends when they decided to accompany each faction. I just don't see a community of people who've lived together, suddenly split apart, and be enemies willing to KILL each other, without a powerful justification.
If they were members of rival schools of martial arts that would be something, but no, both had the exact same master, and there was only 1 school on the island, so there is no real reason for them to hate each other, or be willing to kill each other.
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306612
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Post by
Rankkor
BOO =(
They've just uploaded the quests for the pandarens who choose to join the horde, and guess what?
while alliance pandarens get the chance to sucker-punch varian, the horde doesn't get to sucker-punch garrosh.
=( He decides to test new pandarens by taking them to the arena in the Valley of Honor, and there, they have to fight 3 opponents (presumably orcs, named Oggax, Gadoon, and Frozengore) and
defeat
them in combat.
Boo, I can't believe garrosh doesn't have the balls to test you himself. At the very least varian has the stomach to take a peg or 2, =/
Go figure.
But yeah, we know there are stealth units in the Horde, but they aren't really part of the honourable groups heh; which is why I went with Trolls, Orcs and Tauren in regards to how they respond to cowardly attacks like that.
Yeah I know that Shattered Hand is full of corpses and bishounen.
ejem, the shattered hand is an ORC clan, as such, its made up predominantly of orcs, and some of the other stealthy races of the horde. These orcs are seen with contempt by the other clans such as the frostwolves and the warsong, much like the Searing Blade clan (Warlocks) because in orcish culture, its considered dishonorably to be backstabbing folks.
The only reason they are tolerated is because due to the war, they are needed.
The Dreadstalkers are a different stuff altogether, since the forsakens openly embrace fighting dirty, and using whatever means it takes to get victory, including (but not limited to) using chemical weapons and necromancy.
Post by
Adamsm
Sadly though, the quest for Garrosh is currently bugged as it occurs in an arena instance, and Battlegrounds aren't active yet, so the Pandaren's can't actually finish the quest line.
Post by
Rankkor
Sadly though, the quest for Garrosh is currently bugged as it occurs in an arena instance, and Battlegrounds aren't active yet, so the Pandaren's can't actually finish the quest line.
its still bullocks that we can't smack garrosh around the head =(
I wanted to kick his sorry ass even more than varian's.
Ohh well >.> gonna have to wait till 5.3
/mumble-grumble.
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306612
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Post by
Adamsm
What I'm saying is that we should look elsewhere for examples of foul play.
Which is why I choose Gnomes, Night Elves and Worgens as my examples: Gilneas Liberation Front was more then willing to use under handed tricks to kill off the Forsaken army in Silverpine(the whole trapped mine anyone?) and Bloodfang was just as bad in Hillsbrad. Night Elves are the queens of striking from the darkness and leaving when reinforcements show up. The Gnomes started a war between the Magntaur and the Horde during Borean Tundra, setting up the Orcs as the bad guys to keep the pressure off themselves.
All of those are 'good military' tactics, but none of those moves are honourable by any stretch.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Sigh......It's not a joke...... you know it's not a joke...... . I'm not stupid enough to think you or your minions seriously believe it's a joke. It's a pathetic attempt to destroy my argument, you know my argument proves me right, so you try to destroy the credibility of my argument, because that's your last hope of proving me wrong. It won't work, not this time. Sold, I don't have to destroy your credibility; you did that when you first showed up on these boards as Lupinedruid and the other 5 names you were banned under.
You're not imnipotent, you're not the masters of warcraft lore, you need to have the guts to admit when you're wrong about something, you don't take info that literally destroys your entire argument and try to make the info sound like it's a joke. If you can't prove the argument wrong, if you have nothing to prove it wrong, than you lose the argument.Neither are you Sold, and you take everything waaaaaay too freakin' seriously all the time. Chill out.
I don't even know what you're talking about here......You can't be serious; I mean really, how have you never heard of cursing your enemy...../sigh
Because garrosh is the leader of the horde perhaps?And? Does that mean everyone is evil because of that? Fandral was the leader of the Cenarion Circle while Malfurion was asleep, did that make all of the Druids evil? /sigh
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Yes and just because it isn't honorable doesn't mean it's immoral. And I don't think the gnomes on instance of such a tactic can really be considered a typical tactic for their race, when we only have one isolated instance of this.
Sure it does; blowing up a mine means no one escapes and as they are all Forsaken, that means you have a group of undead hanging around in there, unable to die if their heads weren't destroyed.
It's typical for a race that is smaller then all of the rest, who go with the expedient answer rather then the moral one. After all, we see the Gnomes at Toshley alright with using the essences of the Nether Drakes(a sentient species) to power their machines, and they are more then willing to *!@# around with the Ethereals to keep their own supplies high.
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306612
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
They were hostile to everyone, but they weren't intruding into the Gnome lands(other way around in fact); didn't stop them from using them as an energy source.
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588688
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