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Post by
Rankkor
Ya, it'd be good from a story point of view
which is why this has only happened in books (On the Shattering, Ironforge and Thunderbluff were temporarily taken by hostile forces) but not in-game.
but not from a game play point of view, players wouldn't like it.
which is why it has not happened in-game with an important capital, and will never happen. A lot of stuff simply wont happen due to how it would work in the game. Its why worgens will
NEVER
ever get Gilneas back, except maybe when World of Warcraft is over, and they make a novel to tie things up. But as long as WoW is up, Gilneas is doomed to obscurity.
A very important neutral city would work too.
there's only 2 neutral cities in the game, Shatt, and Dala, unless we're in an expansion that specifically focuses on Outland or Northrend, I don't see this happening.
With dala, its a meta-case because that's a floating city, thus it CAN be relocated (Something I'd love to see happen) but Shatt isn't so lucky.
Post by
Adamsm
well, back when Battle for UC was still around (T_T I SO MISS THAT QUEST) Orgrimmar was temporarily under martial law, and all stores, trainers, bank, auction houses, and the like were suspended. And would not be restored until you completely retook Undercity.Only because you were stuck in a phased version of the city; like you said, once the quest was over, it went back to normal. But with so many quests and achievements being tied into specific cities now a days(getting the rep tabards, the cooking/fishing dailies, for the Alliance/Horde, the Worgen/Goblin ending quests and so on) they can't really just lock down a city like that.
Hmm, well, how bout instead we have a huge epic battle with the villain, but then the villain starts slowly pushing us back, to the point where it's clear were losing. Then a cutscene begins when the villain is at 1% health, the villain suddenly knocks us all down to the ground unconscious, then as the villain is about to deliver the final blow, a gunship of your faction flies in, frost mages on the ship freeze the villain in a block of ice just long enough for your allies to come down and rescue you, and you flee on the gunship.
The screen then blacks out, and you wake up in a stormwind or orgrimmar inn (depending on your faction of course), and you are told what happened while you were unconscious, and that after you were rescued the villain has taken over more towns, slaughtering their inhabitants, and now controls far more land then before. You are told that you and your friends will need more training if you are ever to defeat this villain, but for now, for in the mean time your allies can hold off the villains forces while you train further.
So...any of the set back only battles lol? Things like that work better as part of quest lines rather then actual raids.
While your battle does make more sense, the idea of having a villian win, as I see it, requires that we don't have to kill him at some point to save Azeroth. The sha, to me at least, would be content to sit back and drain the negativity of the world to feed themselves (with only one left there would be less compitition for food and thus that would be a possibility. With someone running around and killing entire settlements, that's more of a set-up for a final battle against them (like the Zul'gurub questline in STV) than an ending to the story. Then again, maybe my idea falls under that catagory as well.
Aye, I'd rather have a set up like that leads into the raid to take it down.
Post by
keyur
Hey anyone noticed Garrosh and King Varian changed spec? Well its long ago still...
Post by
Mojoworkn
Finally finished End Time and the Well of Eternity.
So I'm confused about Murozond's intentions. Was he trying to alter past events in order to prevent his own death, or for some other reason?
Post by
Adamsm
Finally finished End Time and the Well of Eternity.
So I'm confused about Murozond's intentions. Was he trying to alter past events in order to prevent his own death, or for some other reason?
It was all about keeping himself from being killed and being depowered as Noz. That's why all of the other CoT instances involved things that had a connection to Thrall.
Post by
Mojoworkn
The Culling of Stratholme had a connection with Thrall? I know for sure the other ones did.
Post by
Adamsm
The Culling of Stratholme had a connection with Thrall? I know for sure the other ones did.
If Arthas hadn't of gone evil, Jaina and her forces would never have gone to Kalimdor, which means Thrall and the orcs would have lost because Grom would never have been cleansed; Thrall may have been killed by Mannoroth at that point.
Post by
Mojoworkn
The Culling of Stratholme had a connection with Thrall? I know for sure the other ones did.
If Arthas hadn't of gone evil, Jaina and her forces would never have gone to Kalimdor, which means Thrall and the orcs would have lost because Grom would never have been cleansed; Thrall may have been killed by Mannoroth at that point.
Ah.
And yet again Thrall is the most important character...
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635092
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Post by
Rankkor
The Culling of Stratholme had a connection with Thrall? I know for sure the other ones did.
If Arthas hadn't of gone evil, Jaina and her forces would never have gone to Kalimdor, which means Thrall and the orcs would have lost because Grom would never have been cleansed; Thrall may have been killed by Mannoroth at that point.
Ah.
And yet again Thrall is the most important character...
I don't see why that has to be something negative.
>.>
on star wars Luke was the central figure, just as on LOTR frodo was the central figure and so on........
Post by
Mojoworkn
Grats on finishing the well of eternity and end time Mojowork! What did you guys think of it?
Thanks! Still haven't done Hour of Twilight though. Haven't been playing WoW much recently.
I liked the fights. They all had some sort of new mechanic that made them interesting. I especially liked the Mannoroth and Murozond fights. They had that "epic" feel to them, especially the former as it felt like controlled chaos. I felt that both instance could have been longer, they seemed short and lacked in-depth explanations of the story.
The two things thing I most hated about the two were one, I can't get to Wyrmrest Temple in End Time, I wanted to see Deathwing on a stick damnit! And two, the overuse of teleportation to the different areas. I
HATE
the portals. I'd rather walk and see awesome things and fights rather than be teleported instantly to the bosses (well, almost instantly).
The Culling of Stratholme had a connection with Thrall? I know for sure the other ones did.
If Arthas hadn't of gone evil, Jaina and her forces would never have gone to Kalimdor, which means Thrall and the orcs would have lost because Grom would never have been cleansed; Thrall may have been killed by Mannoroth at that point.
Ah.
And yet again Thrall is the most important character...
I don't see why that has to be something negative.
>.>
on star wars Luke was the central figure, just as on LOTR frodo was the central figure and so on........
I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but I personally don't like Thrall very much. At least not after he became a full time shaman. I liked him while he was warchief. Not so much anymore.
Post by
Rankkor
I liked the fights. They all had some sort of new mechanic that made them interesting. I especially liked the Mannoroth and Murozond fights. They had that "epic" feel to them, especially the former as it felt like controlled chaos.
I agree 100% with you man, benedictus simply dind't felt epic at all as the final 5man boss of cataclysm (for example, Kael'thas did felt awesome as the last 5man boss of TBC, and the lich king chase on halls of reflection did felt awesome at the end of WOTLK)
Murozond and SPECIALLY Mannoroth felt like truly epic fights.
The fact that thanks to the mechanics involved I can pull up to 170k DPS on Mannoroth doesn't hurt either xD.
The two things thing I most hated about the two were one, I can't get to Wyrmrest Temple in End Time, I wanted to see Deathwing on a stick damnit! And two, the overuse of teleportation to the different areas. I HATE the portals. I'd rather walk and see awesome things and fights rather than be teleported instantly to the bosses (well, almost instantly).
T_T also agreed.
I was VERY disapointed with how they handled End Time, I wanted full freedom to explore devastated-dragonblight, much like how you can nearly fully explore old hillsbrad, even zones that have nothing to do with what we're doing there in the first place.
Instead, we got invisible walls everywhere, and we only explored the dragonshrines.
That being said, if you have a hunter or a shaman you can explore (somewhat) End Time, via the use of Eagle-eye or Farsight. Deathwing impaled on the temple when seen up-close does looks awesome.
I did found several easter eggs though.
For example, they just took a carbon copy of the coding of the regular dragonblight and only bothered to change the parts we get to see, but the parts we can't normally see, they left them the same way, thus if u use skills like farsight, or eagle-eye, you can see that new hearthglenn is still intact, as is dalaran, agmar's hammer, icemist village, stars' rest, and even the surge needle.
This lack of attention to detail was disapointing. Even more blatant on Hour of Twilight. As you know if u read Twilight of the Aspects, Alextrazsa blew up the upper part of Wyrmrest Temple, including the sphere of unity. And when you do the Dragon Soul raid, indeed Wyrmrest temple is without its roof
but on Hour of Twilight, both in the loading screen, and within the instance itself, Wyrmrest temple still has the roof intact =/
I'd like to add as a last touch that they DO allow you some degree of freedom in Hour of Twilight, since there are no portals to take you anywhere, I wish it was like that for end-time.
I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but I personally don't like Thrall very much.
why? =( he's an awesome character, I still get the shivers when I read lord of the clans, or replay warcraft 3.
At least not after he became a full time shaman. I liked him while he was warchief. Not so much anymore.
on this we can agree, I dunno why they had to do this stupid move, that has had a double negative. First we get saddled with a Leeroy-Jenkins of a warchief that is dumber than a rock, and then our former warchief gets all saddled with that sentimental go'el crap :S
Hopefully either before, during, or after MoP we can get back the black-plate-clad ass kicking warchief that made me join the horde in the first place.
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635092
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Post by
Mojoworkn
I won't quote everything, but I agree with all of your comments. ^_^
For example, they just took a carbon copy of the coding of the regular dragonblight and only bothered to change the parts we get to see, but the parts we can't normally see, they left them the same way, thus if u use skills like farsight, or eagle-eye, you can see that new hearthglenn is still intact, as is dalaran, agmar's hammer, icemist village, stars' rest, and even the surge needle.
This lack of attention to detail was disapointing. Even more blatant on Hour of Twilight. As you know if u read Twilight of the Aspects, Alextrazsa blew up the upper part of Wyrmrest Temple, including the sphere of unity. And when you do the Dragon Soul raid, indeed Wyrmrest temple is without its roof.
I must try out Eagle's Eye. And on the lack of attention to detail, I concur.
Did you use sound in well of eternity? I did, and I think Malfurion, and Ilidan where voiced fairly well, but really did not like tyrande, made me think 8 year old italian girl (just what it made me think of, I don't think she was voiced by an Italian person).
I actually liked the voice acting in Well of Eternity. Tyrande didn't bother me a much as it bothered a lot of people. Maybe I just wanted it to be longer? I don't know.
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635092
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Post by
Rankkor
Did you use sound in well of eternity? I did, and I think Malfurion, and Ilidan where voiced fairly well, but really did not like tyrande, made me think 8 year old italian girl (just what it made me think of, I don't think she was voiced by an Italian person).
Curiously, the voice-actress of Tyrande is the exact same one used on Warcraft 3, she just got that goofy accent for no apparent reason.
and I loved the voice-acting of just about everyone on Well of Eternity (It really is THE BEST 5man on all of cataclysm) with one exception.
Illidan's voice actor was the purest definition of "
LARGE HAM
" He was too overacted, and I didn't quite liked his performance. I dunno if its the same guy from warcraft 3, I know that whoever voiced him in TBC was another dude, but the actor from TBC was much more awesome.
And while I loved the performance of Mannoroth, for some reason he sounded identical to Jabba-the-hutt for me xD.
And the actress of Azshara really NAILED IT with the voice, she sounds exactly how I imagined her to sound like. Down to the pompous arrogance :P
as a last bit, there is a funny easter egg on Well of Eternity.
What do you think happens if you go there while wielding the Twin Glaives of Azzinoth? When you speak to Illidan he will say to you (And only you) "You seem............. prepared"
Post by
Anaran
Quick lore question, is Jaina regarded as a criminal for the death of her father by Kul'Tiras or no, and is she an only child? Thanks.
Post by
Mojoworkn
What do you think happens if you go there while wielding the Twin Glaives of Azzinoth? When you speak to Illidan he will say to you (And only you) "You seem............. prepared"
OMG THAT'S AWESOME!
Quick lore question, is Jaina regarded as a criminal for the death of her father by Kul'Tiras or no, and is she an only child? Thanks.
Adamsm would know more than I do.
Post by
Rankkor
Quick lore question, is Jaina regarded as a criminal for the death of her father by Kul'Tiras or no, and is she an only child? Thanks.
She has a brother.
And she's not considered a criminal for the death of her father for several reasons.
A: she was not the one who killed him.
and
B: It was her father who was considered a criminal, because Jaina had a non-agression treaty signed with Orgrimmar, a treaty that her father broke.
Granted, her father never signed that treaty and thus was not bound by it, but he forced his authority upon jaina's troops, and forced THEM to break that treaty, which was illegal.
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