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Post by Rankkor

Adams, I thought we had already clarified that the Hammer was NOT weak due to the balloons, seeing as they are made of REINFORCED IRON (look at the pieces of cloth ripped from them and you can see they are made of iron) therefore they cant just "pop"

Each vessell has their own strenghts and weaknesses, I dont get why blizz has been so impartial to aerial combat, I've yet to see the first crashed alliance gunship, but we've seen already 4 horde gunships down T_T that's nowhere near as fair.

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Post by Rankkor

An interesting tought just occured to me while drinking my noon coffee :P

The current leader of the largest religion on the world of azeroth is Benedictus, and right now you can see him at the church of holy light, but after 4.3, he's dead, killed on the siege of Wyrmrest temple, so WHO is the most likely candidate for leading the church of holy light?

Will it even be human? or allow Dwarves an equal chance at it?

Velen :D, out of all the people in the alliance, it's obvious that Velen is the most logical candidate for new leader of the church of the holy light, he has 20k years of experience in the holy light.

being an experienced priest isn't the same as being fit to lead the church of the holy light.

Because if we get down to it, Tyrande is also a priestess, and she isn't more fit to do it better either.

The religion of the Draenei and Night Elves are different than the rest of the alliance, because while the Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, and Worgens(or at least former gilnean humans) worship the Holy Light of Creation, the Draenei worship the Naaru, and the Night Elves worship Elune.

This is like asking the current Dalai Lama to step in to lead the catholic church if the current Pope was assassinated.

Post by Rankkor

Not weak, but compared to the propellers on the side of the Breaker, which have multiples to keep it up, the Hammer has only one thing keeping it floating: The balloon, which is a major weakness to how it stays up compared to the other airship.

it has no difference, sure the breaker has multiple propellers, but disable just 1 of them and down it goes. Much the same way as if one of the balloons on the hammer is disabled the rest of the ship goes down.

As to what is easier to disable, balloon or propeller, is highly subjective and depends on a billion variables. If more hammers have been shot down of the sky is because the writers have wanted it so.

After all, the one in gilneas was destroyed because it was boarded, and sabotaged from inside (bomb in the engine room), the one in deepholm was ambushed by an alliance gunship that was infiltrated by cultists, the one in the highlands was ambushed by numerically superior dragons, and lord knows how the one in endtime was shot down.

ALL of these scenarios could had just as easily disable a Breaker as they could a Hammer. Why haven't the writters allowed Hammers their moments of glory, I'll never know.

Post by Adamsm

I don't know about that Rank; one propeller may cause it to start falling, but unlike if the Hammer balloon is punctured which does make for a fairly fast drop, the other propellers on the Breaker have a chance for it to make a softer landing then just the straight drop of the Hammers....plus you know....if the material used to hold up the Hammer is a type of helium(we don't really know at this point), puncturing the balloon could also start a ship shattering kaboom on top of that.

Post by Rankkor

again, since those balloons are made of reinforced steel, puncturing one isn't as easy as it sounds.

And regarding giant balloons, (and this I've researched before) unless you use a MASSIVE projectile, they wont deflate in a matter of seconds, they can actually take hours to deflate, depending on the material they're made of. Thus puncturing a single balloon wont mean the hammer will drop like a brick, just like the breaker, it would start to descend and lose altitude slowly, in the same way as a real balloon wont just plummet itself down if the fabric is ripped apart (Unless the rip is large enough to cover 3/4ths of the whole balloon, but since the hammer's balloons are so frikking huge and made of reinforced steel, you'd need a projectile half the size of the Hammer to puncture it badly enough to cause a rapid plummet)

aint physics cool?

besides, all the reasons for which the hammer has fallen, could had just as easily happen to alliance vessels, if it hasn't is not due to 1 ship being superior, or harder to sink, its because the writers have wanted it so.

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Post by Adamsm

Except the Draenei aren't part of the Church of the Holy Light, so why would the Humans, Dwarves and High Elves follow the alien immigrant?

Why not? Why not follow the holy being that has 20k+ years of experience in the holy light and who virtually knows far more about the light than anyone else on azeroth? Or are you implying that humans, dwarves and high elves are so ignorant that they'd ignore that because he's an alien?

Judging by wolfheart, the very sight of Velen commands respect and calmness, even from the dark iron dwarves. I'm sure most holy light followers in the alliance would gladly serve Velen in the church of the holy light.

I really doubt that; just because someone commands respect, doesn't mean he'll get it....plus again Sold, the beliefs of the Draenei go against the belief of the Church of Light: Not all Light worship is the same in the universe of Azeroth.

Post by Rankkor

I know, just saying; of course, we still don't know how the strong the guns of the Breaker are in regards to rate of fire either heh. But there is still that issue that we don't know what the Hammer balloon is full of....as seen here in the real world, if it's a type of helium, and the Alliance sets if off well......hopefully the Horde crew can get to the Wyverns in time.

Irrelevant. Their power is not a factor because even if they are very strong, they are small (and I've seen all the guns of the breaker, they are many ,but they are small) therefore, even if those rounds could pierce the reinforced steel of the balloons (and I'm not saying they can) they'd generate SMALL holes, and a balloon of that humongous size, pierced by 1 or many SMALL holes would deflate at a very VERY slow rate.

The real danger is the engines, those stop functioning, then the hot air stops being funneled into the balloons, and then we got a real problem. This is mainly why the horde gunship in gilneas crashed, it was boarded and its engine room was sabotaged.

Having said that, the Breaker's only method of movement is that set of 4 propellers, whereas the hammer's method of movement is a GIANT rocket booster. So why have the writers been so adamant of sinking hammers left and right baffles me, I wanna see some moments of glory for the first horde gunship invented T_T

At the very least, allow horde players in the dragon soul raid to board a HORDE gunship on the warmaster boss.

Why not? Why not follow the holy being that has 20k+ years of experience in the holy light and who virtually knows far more about the light than anyone else on azeroth? Or are you implying that humans, dwarves and high elves are so ignorant that they'd ignore that because he's an alien?

I already explained this to you bro', its not about who has more experience, this is about Velen being of a different religion..........

The religion of the Draenei and Night Elves are different than the rest of the alliance, because while the Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, and Worgens(or at least former gilnean humans) worship the Holy Light of Creation, the Draenei worship the Naaru, and the Night Elves worship Elune.

This is like asking the current Dalai Lama to step in to lead the catholic church if the current Pope was assassinated.

The church of the holy light and the draenei religion share some similarities, but are actually quite different, kinda like how catholics and christians and jehova witnesses and mormons, are similar in several things but have a LOT of differences between each other.

It will be a cold day in hell the day you see a Christian Pastor leading the catholic vatican if the pope dies or is removed due to corruption.

Post by Adamsm

Having said that, the Breaker's only method of movement is that set of 4 propellers, whereas the hammer's method of movement is a GIANT rocket booster. So why have the writers been so adamant of sinking hammers left and right baffles me, I wanna see some moments of glory for the first horde gunship invented T_TWell sure you can fire the rocket booster....but Rank, if the Hammer is falling from the sky, all you are doing is suddenly increasing the speed of the fall: Say the nose drops down, and you hit the booster, the Hammer is now going Mach 1 straight into the ground. Even if you hit it while the ship is already falling, you'd probably end up flipping the ship or tearing it in half, but even then, since the ship is now going wildly out of control without a way to actual control it, nothing you can do if mountains are nearby....and that's still leaving out on what is in the balloon; rocket flame + flammable gas = sky shattering kaboom.

Post by Rankkor

hey I never said anything about using the rocket booster during a fall (that would be dumb), I said that its harder to target and actually hit the ship if it can move that fast in the first place.

As for the content of the balloon, all we can do is speculate, but since all other forms of balloons we've seen are full of hot air, I doubt its full of flammable gasses. Besides, if they had helium there would be no need of pipes and pumping engines to pump anything up there. If there are pipes is because the engine is constantly pumping hot air to keep it afloat.

Edit: besides if it was full of helium that would make it hard to maneuver as helium can only go up, in order to go down you'd have to increase the weight on the ship, and to go up, weight down the ship. With hot air, in order to ascend pump more air into the balloons, and to descend pump less air in there. Plus hot air aint flammable, so yhea, I doubt its helium

Post by Adamsm

All depends on how close the Hammers are in comparison to the original Gob air ships; those things were full of flammable gases as that was the number one cause of their destruction heh.

But the issue with the rocket booster is that while it can go fast, it seems like more of an escape thing then a reliable moving option; just because of trying to turn fast with with the oversized balloon there and all.

Would be good for an opening strike type of thing, speed in fast and fire the main cannon, but if you can't slow speed fast enough, it would be a bit of a flying whale compared to the easier to maneuver Skybreaker(always seemed that way anyways because of the way the Breaker is kept in the air). I've always seen the Breakers as more like the older Elvish Destroyers while the Hammers are the Ogre Juggernauts from the Warcraft 2 era.

Post by Rankkor

still, nothing in the structural design of the hammers makes them more prone to be shot down, so if we got 4 hammers down, and zero breakers down is because the writers refuse to sink breakers =( that aint fair bro'

Post by Adamsm

/shrug Happens....of course, we've got 3 Alliance areas completely devastated, so sorry if I don't cry too much for fallen Hammers heh.

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Post by Rankkor

/shrug Happens....of course, we've got 3 Alliance areas completely devastated, so sorry if I don't cry too much for fallen Hammers heh.

hey, horde as lost just as much territory, either to alliance, twilight hammer, or the cataclysm.

Just out of the top of my head there's taurajo, and freewind post. Not to mention that all of the barrens used to belong to the horde and be a beautiful savanna, now the southern section is a contested warzone that will never be beautiful again for the next 2 decades or so even if the stupid war between both factions ever ended.

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