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Post by Adamsm

Aitk, you need to stop basing your ideas on the world off of sci-fi stuff....

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Post by Adamsm

If they reset, that just puts the Infinites right back in play to screw with the Time Stream again; it's only after we succeed that they can seal the Time Line from them.

Edit: Also, we know the Bronzes don't have a reset button: If they did, the Knaak version of WotA would not exist.

It's still science fiction: A lot of books also talk about time as a river, where no matter what you do in the past, the present won't change. There is no universal truth about Time Travel....cause you know....it's not real.

Post by Atik

And the fact is, no matter how unrealalistic something like Hyper's post sounds, it is POSSIBLE. We have no idea of knowing what certain things could lead to what when we go back in time.

Let's say you're running through Culling of Stratholme, and you step on a couple of rats.

Who is to say those rats wouldn't have bred into a sizable family who would later be killed and used to create the skin of an abomination who would later go on to kill Nathanos Blightcaller? Thus, because you killed those two measly rats, Nathanos himself survived, possibly killing Sylvannas in order to put her out of her 'misery'.

Future screwed.

And that is just ONE example.

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Post by Adamsm

Cause Aboms are made of people.....

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Here be spoilers(duh).
Scott Mercer: There will be a new tier of armor sets, of course. We're also adding a new legendary weapon--a pair of daggers for rogues--with a new quest chain involved in obtaining them. The artists and animators are working on a new mount, a drake from the red dragonflight that borrows many visual elements from the Alexstrasza character model. Players can get one version of the new mount as the reward for the meta achievement for completing all other Dragon Soul achievements. There will also be a second, rarer version of the mount, that's obtainable as a single, guaranteed drop off Heroic corrupted Deathwing.

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Post by Rankkor

Who says they cant?

The fact they give us the restrictions of the disguises and everything seem rather pointless if they do. Just let us walk in, kick the ass of anything that gets between us and the infinites, have us leave, then reset.

And we are talking about time travel here. Hell, multiple other books have dealt with it.

the disguises have a good reason, we are still meddling disguised or not, but without the disguises, needless people would interfere with our mission.

For example, during the culling of stratholme, we have to help Arthas purge the city. IF members of the horde are not disguised as humans, Arthas would never trust us. After all, I dont see him accepting help from an orc or a troll or a goblin on his mission.

Same on durnhold, we are disguised as mere humans, so that if any innocent bystander happens to see us, they dont go "OHH MY GAH! WE'RE BEING INVADED BY A BUNCH OF BLUE PEOPLE WITH GOAT LEGS AND FACE TENTACLES!"

they'd chalk it off to 5 rebels to the crown attacking a prison, something much easier to clean up for the bronzes.

And as for what kind of repercussions would arise from stealing the dragon soul, I just explained a while ago that none whatsoever.

Lets put the timeline in order here.

step 1: steal dragon soul BEFORE the well of eternity collapses.

Step 2: we use it in the present for whatever reason it may be needed.

Step 3: we give it back to nozdormu

Step 4: Nozdormu, who is the same guy regardless of the epoch in time travels back to the past, specifically to the point where the dragons reunite to make the ritual so that the soul becomes unusable by any dragons.

Step 5: ritual goes as planned, soul becomes banished, malfurion hides it, and later on its used for its very nefarious purposes.

Step 6: ?

Step 7: profit.

Nozdormu isn't allowed to meddle in the affairs of the past, but if given enough motivation, he could let US interfere with the past, and then he'd fix what we broke. After all the steps have been done, what would be the difference between the original timeline and our altered timeline?

When the dragons meet to banish the soul, they ask malfurion to present it (he did clutched it after the well exploded) he reaches into his bat-pouches (Seriously xD how many seeds and random stuff he carries in those? I counted over 25 different objects he used in WOTA) and goes "hey WTF? the soul is missing" and Noz intervenes and says "actually its right here" and presents it. And that's it, problem fixed.

Also, atik, time paradoxes (what happens when you make a change in the past be it small or large) are just theories, there is no way to confirm them at all, and so, each author of science fiction has a different one. In this particular brand of fantasy, making changes in the past like killing a rat wont blow up the universe. After all, when Rhonin and company traveled to the past they made a SH1TLOAD of changes (In no particular order: Killed the houndmaster 10k years before schedule, killed a lot of demons that shouldn't had been killed by them, influenced a lot of the decisions of the night elven host, taught illidan some magic, and used the dragon soul to seal off the well of eternity when in the original WOTA it was never used in the first place)

and look =O after making a MAGNANIMOUS amount of changes in the past, here we are, the world did not exploded or anything. Why? because unlike in "the sound of thunder" we have the bronze flight to make the necessary changes in the timelines to accommodate our meddling :P

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Post by Rankkor

just to add a small recap: Timetravel works differently depending on the author. In some cases (Like Prince of Persia Sands of Time) making changes in the past doesn't necessarily brings ill omens like tornadoes or natural disasters, it just changes the future.

In other cases (Like H.G Well's Time Machine) no matter what you do, the past cant be changed, fate will make sure events unfold the way they are supposed to (protagonist travels back in time to save his bride from being stabbed by a mugger, only to see her then die by being run over by a car)

In other cases (Dragon Ball) making changes in the past, creates a paralel universe that co-exists with the original one. Trunks travels to the past, gives goku his medicine so he wont die from a sissy heart attack, becomes an absolute badass, defeat the androids, defeat cell, blah-blah-blah, returns to his future, and TA-DAH his own future is still a post-apocaliptic wasteland, but since he became a badass in the past, he could defeat them there, so now there's 2 different timelines, Trunk's original timeline where most of the earth is devastated, and the altered one where the androids and cell are defeated before they bring the world to its knees.

In other cases, (Like Chronno Trigger) making all the changes you want in the past carries no weight whatsoever, and you're free to come and go through the epochs as you damn well please.

so yes, dont try to bungle "The sound of thunder" with this, because as an element of FICTION timetravel is not set in stone, and varies from author to author.

Edit:

If you went back in time to kill yourself as a child, then a time paradox would be created where this would not be possible, because if you went back in time to kill yourself in the past, then you would have died before you went back in time to kill yourself, therefore making it impossible for you to kill yourself in the past.

Ya, wrap your heads around that guys. :)

in warcraft's case, if you did that, the bronze dragons would stop future you from killing past you. This is their job, to ensure history remains as it was written. They ask adventurers for help when its the infinite dragonflight making the changes, as they have the same powers as the bronze to change the timelines over and over.

Post by Atik

So your saying that bronze dragons are saving every single tiny critter and spec of dirt from being disturbed while we adventure through the past?

Post by Rankkor

So your saying that bronze dragons are saving every single tiny critter and spec of dirt from being disturbed while we adventure through the past?

after we finish our job in the past, they do a massive sweep of the area, and try to put the past as close to how it was as posible.

but again, just cuz in "the sound of thunder" killing a butterfly unleashes a tornado and an earthquake several years later (if there's any logic in that) doesn't mean it happens here too. Hakkar the Houndmaster was slain 10k years before schedule (he was meant to die on the third war) and yet nothing overly catastrophic happened.

Post by Atik

Which is just more proof Blizzard doesn't give a %^&*.

And it makes perfect logical sense when you take into account the INFINITE possibilities of the legacy that butterfly could have had in the timeline that could lead to its offspring somehow PREVENTING those natural disasters simply by doing normal butterfly things.

Post by Adamsm

Which is just more proof Blizzard doesn't give a %^&*.Again, only inf your view.

And it makes perfect logical sense when you take into account the INFINITE possibilities of the legacy that butterfly could have had in the timeline that could lead to its offspring somehow PREVENTING those natural disasters simply by doing normal butterfly things.

Except.....dun dun dun! No author agrees about the time travel laws, so yeah, just because one set of authors say killing something in the past screws up the present, another set say nothing will happen; there is no truth of time travel.

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Post by Adamsm

Hell, some works even go out of their way to mix BOTH theories.

That too.