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Post by Rankkor

Post by Morec0

well, just read the short story about trade prince gallywix.

really funny stuff (as everything related to goblins tends to be) however I still hate the guts out of that bastard and for the life of me can't really figure out WHY is he still alive. Specially since Thrall's own personal sence of honor would had NEVER let a maggot like that continue to exist. I guess he was in a hurry to get to deepholm so I'll let it slide, but once he returns (He won't stay at that whirlpool forever rite?) he better clean up the house.

XD Awsome! But I kinda felt sorry for Gallywix after Secret 2. All he was trying to do was impress the love of his life. Poor guy. But yeah. DOWN WITH GALLYWIX! LONG LIVE TRADE PRINCESS MIDA!

Also; they stole the sword in the cane idea from my character Sprixx Steamfuse! lol

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On a highly unrelated note, I figured out how Blizzard could have avoid the whole controversy over the "there must always be a Lich King" plot but still put in a new Lich King. Simply; instead of control needing to be maintained to keep the Scourge from swarming everything they could have said that a noble soul needed to take his place to make sure another evil person could not (i.e. Dreadlords, Kel'thuzad (I still think he's out there somewhere)).

Terranas Says: "Without their master a greater evil may rise up to take power. This cannot happen or the world will never know rest. There must always be." *Lightning flashes* "A Lich King."

And you can figure the rest.

Post by Skreeran

well, just read the short story about trade prince gallywix.

really funny stuff (as everything related to goblins tends to be) however I still hate the guts out of that bastard and for the life of me can't really figure out WHY is he still alive. Specially since Thrall's own personal sence of honor would had NEVER let a maggot like that continue to exist. I guess he was in a hurry to get to deepholm so I'll let it slide, but once he returns (He won't stay at that whirlpool forever rite?) he better clean up the house.He's still alive because Thrall makes it personal policy to let Horde subfactions handle their own political problems, rather than managing it all himself (except in case of emergancies, like the Battle of Undercity).

If he were to depose a leader of a Horde faction, it would cause serious mistrust by the other factions. While factions like the Forsaken and Blood Elves will submit to the Horde's authority, they also value their independence. If Thrall removed the leader of the Goblins from office, that would show everyone that Thrall can take Sylvanas out of office, or Lor'themar or whoever.

While I certainly think he is actually within his rights to do that, it would only lead to backroom scheming and mistrust among the Horde' leadership, which weakens the Horde as a whole.

In addition, you might consider that he wasn't actually Warchief anymore at that point.

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Post by GVHB

Haha, amusing stuff. Just finished reading the new short story and I have to say that Gallywix can do some very epic things, blowing up to bits the local gang with a moneybag full of dynamite and forcing the then-current Trade Prince to destroy his complete merchant fleet during his daughter's birthday party... Simply amusing.

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Post by Skreeran

I'm not quite as enthusiatic about reading this one.

Garrosh, Varian, Genn, Sylvanas, Velen, Vol'jin, Baine (YUS.), and even Lor'themar are interesting to read about. Maybe Tyrande if the writer can bring her back to her Warcraft 3 origins.

But I just never have had any interest in Gallywix. Like, none. I do not care for the guy.

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Post by Morec0

Well heres something interesting. Attend if you want, I think I might.

Post by Rankkor

If he were to depose a leader of a Horde faction, it would cause serious mistrust by the other factions. While factions like the Forsaken and Blood Elves will submit to the Horde's authority, they also value their independence. If Thrall removed the leader of the Goblins from office, that would show everyone that Thrall can take Sylvanas out of office, or Lor'themar or whoever.

there are 2 problems with that statement.

A: at the time the goblins weren't part of the horde, they were just a bunch of people he randomly met on the lost isles.

and most importantly.

B: the goblins themselves DO NOT want to live under gallywix's yokel. He was a tyrant, and a cruel bastard that had them in cages, and had no problem with executing his own people.

Gallywix has shown that above all he does NOT care for his people at all, he only cares for himself, if selling every single goblin to the burning legion so they can construct fel reavers would increase his pockets, he would. Without a hesitation.

how does that makes him diferent from Overlord Mog'hor (former chieftain of the dragonmaw who was also executed before the dragonmaw rejoined the horde) or Dreadlord Mal'ganis? (Who was using the rebel forsakens as simple expendable pawns to expand the agenda of the legion)

There's also the fact that since he's a greedy bastard, and a utterly selfish man, wich means, his loyalty is completely dependant on how much profit he can make. All it takes is someone making him a better offer for him to give the horde the middle-finger and betray it to whoever makes him a fatter pay-check.

and we know there's many factions that are just as rich as the alliance and horde put together (Legion, twilight hammer, consortium, ect)

we're looking at a future wrathgate here as long as HE is in charge. One would think Thrall to know better than to put individual of questionable loyalty in places of power. Also while he's not the current warchief, Thrall's word has enough weight to supersede garrosh's word.

But I just never have had any interest in Gallywix. Like, none. I do not care for the guy

ohh I care for the guy, I really wanna see him bite the dust, he basically pulled a karma houdini here. After all the crap he did on kezan, and the lost isles, did he got what he deserved? no, he got away with slavery, murder, torture, brainwashing, and destruction with total and complete impunity, and in the end, he sits in a palace, built on a mountain with his face on it, sitting on a pile of gold.

I care enough to see that injustice undone.

Post by Skreeran

But the Goblins had showed an interest in joining the Horde.

And as far as what the goblins want, Thrall left that up to them. Like I said, it's not that Thrall doesn't care who leads the goblins, but that he lets them run their own politics.

If the goblins want a new leader, they should get a new one in whatever way they normally get a new leader.

The point is, politics are delicate. If Thrall heavy-handedly removed a leader from office and put a new one in power, it could throw everything out of whack (I'm reminded of America's invasion of Iraq. Saddam was a terrible leader, but how much better off are the iraqis now?).

Gallywix will get his, I'm sure, but it wasn't Thrall's place to do it. The goblins have to overthrow him themselves.

Post by Patty

ohh I care for the guy, I really wanna see him bite the dust, he basically pulled a karma houdini here. After all the crap he did on kezan, and the lost isles, did he got what he deserved? no, he got away with slavery, murder, torture, brainwashing, and destruction with total and complete impunity, and in the end, he sits in a palace, built on a mountain with his face on it, sitting on a pile of gold.

I care enough to see that injustice undone.I actually quite like things that way. WoW has mostly been very black and white, with 'bad' people being punished for doing 'bad' things. Such as Illidan. Having a karma houdini here or there helps to muddy the waters and make the game more relatable.

Post by Rankkor

The point is, politics are delicate. If Thrall heavy-handedly removed a leader from office and put a new one in power, it could throw everything out of whack

I don't see how. Remember that the Dragonmaw were also ruled by a tyrant (Mog'hor), and we removed him, and look how the dragonmaws thrived.

And as far as what the goblins want, Thrall left that up to them. Like I said, it's not that Thrall doesn't care who leads the goblins, but that he lets them run their own politics.

problem is: Average goblin is scared shitless of gallywix. Why do you think nobody lynched him after he's rescued on the lost isles? he was with the rest of the group till he hijacked a rocket to go to the larger island.

since you bring the example of Iraq: why do you think the iraqis themselves didn't overtrew saddam? why do you think WE haven't overtrown chavez?

whoever has the big guns isn't quite as easy to remove, even less so if the people are too scared to act.

I still think that someone who values money over honor, family, loyalty, brotherhood, or even common sence makes a very poor leader. And while I'm well aware that ambition is an integral part of EVERY goblin (to the point that a goblin without greed is just a green gnome) a leader that is pure greed for himself represents a very real danger that could hinder the horde in the long run.

all it takes is someone making gallywix a better offer, and presto. we have a new Wrathgate incident on our hands.

Post by Skreeran

I don't see how. Remember that the Dragonmaw were also ruled by a tyrant (Mog'hor), and we removed him, and look how the dragonmaws thrived.Zaela overthrew Mog'hor with support of the Horde. The Dragonmaw solved their own problems. That's very different form Thrall saying "You're a bad leader, you don't get to lead anymore."

If Thrall just murdered Gallywix and put another Goblin in place, there could be far worse consequences than simply leaving the Goblins to handle their own problems.

Post by Rankkor

Zaela overthrew Mog'hor with support of the Horde. The Dragonmaw solved their own problems. That's very different form Thrall saying "You're a bad leader, you don't get to lead anymore."

and what exactly did it looked like the goblins were doing in the lost islands? inviting gallywix for tea and biscuits? they hated gallywix with all their soul, and the entire chain is basically us killing off all the henchmen of gallywix, and preparing for our final confrontation. Thrall lends us his suport and we battle the tyrant.

just as the tyrant is beaten he surrenders, and thrall just like that apoints him leader without asking if that's what the rest of the goblins wanted (wich is clearly NOT what they wanted, if they wanted him to rule over them, they wound't had oposed to him at all, and all the gobs in the lost isles would basically volutarily go to the slave mines and submit to him.)

the very fact that the goblins oposed gallywix and assaulted his docks, freed his prisoners, and killed his henchmen and then attacked him showed just how much they (dont) love their trade prince.

Rather than thrall saying "u're a bad leader, you don't get to lead anymore" he basically said "you're a bad leader, but you will continue to lead"

for the life of me I just don't get it.

If Thrall just murdered Gallywix and put another Goblin in place, there could be far worse consequences than simply leaving the Goblins to handle their own problems.

exept that this wasn't Thrall acting solo, do remember that the goblins were the ones who aproached him, not the other way arround. The goblins needed help to be free of that madman, Thrall offered his aid if the goblins helped him to eliminate the SI:7 assassins that were after him and his crew. Once the SI:7 are dealt with, Thrall aids the goblins in overtrowing their tyranical leader.............. only to reinstate him back in office.

/facepalm.

in other words.... the very reason he was fighting gallywix in the first place was because we ASKED HIM TO. If we asked him to kill gallywix, then why the hell does he leaves him both alive and in charge?

that's as dumb as if the US invaded iraq, bombs the place up, kill all of sadam's soldiers, storm his palace, and once they have him cornered........ saddam says "I surrender" and the US soldiers basically say "ok, as long as u're sorry we're gonna let you keep leading, we're leaving"

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Post by Morec0

that's as dumb as if the US invaded iraq, bombs the place up, kill all of sadam's soldiers, storm his palace, and once they have him cornered........ saddam says "I surrender" and the US soldiers basically say "ok, as long as u're sorry we're gonna let you keep leading, we're leaving"Funnily enough, that's pretty much what we did in the first Gulf War... :P

But I explained Thrall's reasoning. I imagine that's Blizzard reasoning too. If you want to complain that it's not a perfect explanation, that's fine, but I doubt it will make you happier, and I don't think Blizzard will ever go back and just unwrite it.

I'm just saying, zaela asked the horde for help to overtrow their tyrant and the horde helped her and the other dragonmaws to be free of him. Sassy and the other goblins asked the horde for help to overtrow their tyrant, and yet they are still under his thumb.

I think it boils down to that Thrall felt compelled to aid the goblins with their problem because they had helped him with his (the Alliance) but after they beat Gallywix and, instead of fighting to the death, he starts begging for his life, Thrall, who has had the bigger problem of the Maelstrom and Deepholme on his mind this whole time, decides he has spent too much time on the Isles and so puts him back in power so he can continue on his way. Maybe he was also hoping Garrosh would sort it out as part of a learning experience.

Post by Rankkor

Maybe he was also hoping Garrosh would sort it out as part of a learning experience.

I am hoping THIS is the case. Otherwise I don't see any other reason whatsoever to leave that scum alive. Though making the goblins suffer just to teach garrosh a lesson seems rather harsh.

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