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Anmity
Except Faol was the one who created the Paladins in the first placeI'm well aware of that.if he woke up as an 'abomination' I could see him killing himself rather then joining up.Doesn't that kind of depend on his character, and what kind of Forsaken he encounters at first? What he talks about and get talked to about.Or he would beat feet towards the Argent Crusade to at least remain as he was, instead of falling to the Shadow.Except he wouldn't know the Argent Crusade existed.
Post by
Patty
He also wouldn't know that the Scourge, Forsaken or Cult of the Forgotten Shadow existed. Among many,
many
other things.
Post by
Anmity
He also wouldn't know that the Scourge, Forsaken or Cult of the Forgotten Shadow existed. Among many,
many
other things.
If the Forsaken resurrected him, who would he talk to first? Hmm. Probably the Ethereals.
Post by
306612
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Post by
Adamsm
Anmity, you're missing the point here: Faol was one of the most pious, devout followers of the Light. If he woke up as a Forsaken and 'cut off' from the Light, he would probably kill himself at that point to destroy the abomination he had become. If he didn't, he would attempt to track down the last of the Silver Hand Paladins that he helped to form; Tirion Fordring, the Ashbringer, and either assist the Argent's, or ask for his old friend to put him out of his misery.
As for the comment about Ethereals.....where did that come from?
Post by
Patty
Anmity, you're missing the point here: Faol was one of the most pious, devout followers of the Light. If he woke up as a Forsaken and 'cut off' from the Light, he would probably kill himself at that point to destroy the abomination he had become.Indeed. He taught Benedictus all about the Light, and made Benedictus the leader he is now. That
includes
ending the forsaken by burning them to true death.
As for the comment about Ethereals.....where did that come from?
Sarcasm.
Post by
Anmity
Hmm. Well, to be honest, I don't much remember his character. I guess I should reread some old novels before anything else.
Post by
Adamsm
As for the comment about Ethereals.....where did that come from?
Sarcasm.
Sarcasm doesn't translate well heh.
Post by
Skreeran
Uther the Lightbringer wasn't quite as fundamentalist in his beliefs, though. He could make an interesting story. I remember seeing a faked "picture from the Alpha" that had "Uther Duskbringer" standing on Uther's memorial, that, while fake, did stir up quite a bit of interest and controversy.
And before you claim that Uther would do the same thing as Faol, remember that Uther
A. has been "undead" for a while now (yes, it was a retcon, but it's canon whether we like it or not). In that same vein, he has been shown to be somewhat sympathetic to Sylvanas.
B. Seemed to be above the "Race X is evil. Race X must be destroyed" dogma that plagued many other people in Lordaeron. Granted, he was talking about orcs, but I can see him being just as considerate in his judgment of the undead as he was with the Blackrock orcs.
C. Other heroes of the Light, like Leonid Barthalomew (who probably was a paladin in life, though we aren't sure) and Trevor the priest (still the lamest name for a lore character ever, but that's just me) have come to terms with their undeath, and continued to serve the Light even as Forsaken.
Post by
Adamsm
Yes, but if you recall, they needed Uther for that ridiculous arse pull at the end of Wrath; I still don't recall anywhere, in either WC3 or Rise of the Lich King, it said that Arthas killed Uther and put his soul into Frostmourne; during that mission to get the urn/that chapter, Arthas just sent the Scourge to kill Uther and the Silver Hand remnants and was more focused on putting the rotting essence of KT into the Urn after dumping out the ashes of his father.
Okay, rant about Wrath over.
Post by
GVHB
Uther had the urn so it wouldn't surprise me if Arthas went alongside his undead army to confront Uther in order to get the urn (and sucking the paladin's soul into Frostmourne in the process). It is true that you hadn't to use Arthas (the hero unit) in the mission to get the Urn and I hadn't read RotLK but I think Arthas fought Uther and captured his soul with the sword.
Post by
Skreeran
Yes, but if you recall, they needed Uther for that ridiculous arse pull at the end of Wrath; I still don't recall anywhere, in either WC3 or Rise of the Lich King, it said that Arthas killed Uther and put his soul into Frostmourne; during that mission to get the urn/that chapter, Arthas just sent the Scourge to kill Uther and the Silver Hand remnants and was more focused on putting the rotting essence of KT into the Urn after dumping out the ashes of his father.
Okay, rant about Wrath over.Nah, in Warcraft 3 you could kill him as Arthas (see:
here
). And Arthas killed him with Frostmourne in the book (
Arthas: Rise of the Lich King
pp. 212-213). And remember, Arthas doesn't have to tell Frostmourne to eat a soul, it just does, because that's what it does.
The only conflict with lore that the retcon had was bringing Uther in when Uther's spirit also had appeared in the Eastern Plaguelands at his tomb, which is not a very big or important role, so it wasn't a very big retcon at all. I agree that the "There must always be a Lich King" thing was pretty lame, even if I think that the storytelling opportunities that it presented are interesting, but as far as Uther goes, it really wasn't a big retcon at all.
Post by
Interest
As for the comment about Ethereals.....where did that come from?
Sarcasm.
Sarcasm doesn't translate well heh.
Use sarcasm tags of course. =P
Post by
306612
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Post by
Skreeran
C. Other heroes of the Light, like Leonid Barthalomew (who probably was a paladin in life, though we aren't sure) and Trevor the priest (still the lamest name for a lore character ever, but that's just me) have come to terms with their undeath, and continued to serve the Light even as Forsaken.
That reminds me - wouldn't a non-Sylvanas aligned NPC not be part of the Forsaken? It's kind of the name of their people.I'm aware of that, but I used the term Forsaken to distinguish them from non-free undead. It's like their faction name and also their race name.
Post by
Adamsm
Leonid and Trevor started off as Forsaken(IE broke free at the same time as the rest of them), but don't really see themselves as such anymore.
Post by
306612
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Post by
Rankkor
Leonid and Trevor started off as Forsaken(IE broke free at the same time as the rest of them), but don't really see themselves as such anymore.
OJO
do remember that the word "Forsaken" has 2 connotations.
there's the name of the undercity faction that supports sylvannas, and the name of the specie (aka an undead with free will)
Meryl has never been aligned with the undercity, but he IS a forsaken. Since he's undead yet retains his free will.
Anselm is a double forsaken, on one hand he is an undead with free will, thus a forsaken, and he also serves the banshee queen, thus being a forsaken.
maybe blizz should introduce a new term for the specie itself to diferenciate it from the faction.
because the more common term "Undead" carries the implied connotation that the subject lacks free will and it's subject to the will of a necromancer.
Post by
GVHB
The Forsaken that serve Sylvanas (including player characters) are the Undercity Forsaken, the same way humans serving Stormwind are referred to Stormwind humans. There is a reason the faction name is Undercity and not Forsaken, playable Forsaken are the ones that for the kingdom of the Banshee Queen but there other Forsaken not-affiliated with the Undercity.
Post by
Rankkor
The Forsaken that serve Sylvanas (including player characters) are the Undercity Forsaken, the same way humans serving Stormwind are referred to Stormwind humans. There is a reason the faction name is Undercity and not Forsaken, playable Forsaken are the ones that for the kingdom of the Banshee Queen but there other Forsaken not-affiliated with the Undercity.
going by that logic then "Forsaken" is the name of the specie, not the faction. Thus one can be a forsaken, while still giving Sylvannas the middle finger.
correct?
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