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Patty
meh, he used to be a fantastic villian in warcraft 3 (like anakim skywalker but less emo) they ruined him on wow by making him "unable to kill someone" he never kills, he just shows up, barks some empty threats and vanishes just as fast.
Darth Vader was a fantastic villain; Anakin Skywalker (aka. prequel man) wasn't, he fell flat for me. He was really cliché and emo.
And on
Althyess
and
Sacrolash
, they actually look pretty accurate in the *cough* suggestive pic, just that Althyess isn't quite red enough.
Post by
Skreeran
I just realized that the windmill in the Dragonmaw Base in the Twin Peaks is actually made of drake wings.
yhea but do you know of wich breed of dragons are those wings made? are they red dragon wings? twillight? chromatic?
remember that several times in the past red dragons have been captured and forced to be bad guys (keristrazsa, and that red dragon in BWL, as well as the tons of little red dragon welps).
.......
while indeed bro' I find it VERY disturbing that the windmil has dragon wings, we still don't know the "details" behind those wings, after all, Taurens use kodo hides to make blankets, armor, tents, they use their bones to craft tools and artesany.
and do tauren hate kodos? do kodos revile taurens? we don't know the details of "Who" are these dragonmaws, if they are the same bastards who enslaved the red dragonflight, or the bastards who enslaved the netherflight, or an alternate branch of the clan.
I say, we wait to know more, and then we freak out.
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/june/ss45.jpg
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/june/ss53.jpg
The wings in those pictures are red-orange, the exact same color as
red drakes
. Given the Dragonmaws' history with red dragons, I'm choosing to believe that they are red drake wings until proved otherwise. They aren't black. They aren't purple. They're red.
I would've preferred
the other
design.
I find the news of the dragonmaws joining the horde as disturbing as any fan of the new horde would, but untill we know more, it's a bit early to freak out.I don't think they're joining the Horde as much as the Horde is funding them, kinda like the US funded Iraq and El Salvador without actually allying with them.
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229054
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Joemaster240
hey guys what are some of the really good books in the world of/warcraft series to read?
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229054
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Post by
Adamsm
Arthas, Last Guardian, Tides of Darkness, Beyond the Dark Portal, Of Blood and Honour, Rise of the Horde, Death Knight, all 5 volumes of Legends, Day/Night of the Dragon, Stormrage, Sunwell Trilogy... in other words, all of them.
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denjerre
The Draenei
Post by
Monday
Arthas is an awesome book, as was the BYTDP and ToD. Last Guardian and Lord of the Clans were the ones I liked the most.
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229054
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Monday
The Draenei
I think I've found a mistake though. Isn't shamanism supposed to be a new thing in the draenei society and thus its mostly shunned or something?
Mainly because it is led by the Broken iirc.
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Adamsm
The Draenei
I think I've found a mistake though. Isn't shamanism supposed to be a new thing in the draenei society and thus its mostly shunned or something?
Not Shamanism itself... but the fact that the primary teacher of it is Nobundo, a Broken; that's what has the Exiles gun shy about the Shaman path, and it has more to do with the body then the mind teaching them.
Edit: Of course... even then, Velen has said that Nobundo is to be treated with respect, as are his students so... yeah heh. Kind of strange the one flaw; the way the Exiles see the Broken, is turned to the side by the fact that it's literally not the Broken fault for what happened to them.
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229054
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Adamsm
Not the Broken.. or at least, not at this point in the timeline, maybe when Nobundo first approached, before they realized it was the fel gas the Dark Horde had released into Shattrah to transform them into the creatures they had become. As for the Man'ari... /shrug, seems as if Shamanism is the farthest away from the Legion as possible heh.
Which again, could be reference to who is teaching the Shaman skills to the world at large; the Broken Draenei, till the Exile ones are up and ready to start teaching as well. They've only had the skill for one to decades at the most, and considering the way the Draenei live, it probably takes longer for new things to be added into the society then it would with something like the Humans or Gnomes. So yeah, Shamanism itself is probably the smallest 'group' among the Draenei, maybe the equal of something like Warlocks among the other races(for size, not for what it is heh).
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Rankkor
hey guys what are some of the really good books in the world of/warcraft series to read?
if I had to list them by order.
Lord of the clans is my number 1, followed closely by Of blood and Honor.
the others I liked are: rise of the horde, behond the dark portal, and the whole trilogy of War of the Ancients.
Day of the dragon was terrible, I forced myself to read it because it holds a key part of lore (the defeat of deathwing and the destruction of the demon-soul)
Circle of Hatred was lame :S
rise of the lich king was frikking epic.
and I'm waiting eagerly for the new trilogy by golden that deals with the prelude to cataclysm.
Post by
Joemaster240
aight i've been thinking of this since i finished Lord of the Clans awhile ago....i think Thrall is a sue...i mean a man who was at one time a slave escapes his many years imprisonment and goes out befriends THREE powerful people within less then maybe three months...then just as suddenly he get's thrust straight into a position of leading thousands of people and is given a legendary weapon....that just sounds so sueish to me...though i could be wrong. What do you guys think?
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Morec0
aight i've been thinking of this since i finished Lord of the Clans awhile ago....i think Thrall is a sue...i mean a man who was at one time a slave escapes his many years imprisonment and goes out befriends THREE powerful people within less then maybe three months...then just as suddenly he get's thrust straight into a position of leading thousands of people and is given a legendary weapon....that just sounds so sueish to me...though i could be wrong. What do you guys think?
He didn't escape it on his own (opposed to escaping with no help from anyone), he had to prove himself to those three (as opposed to them just suddenly liking him), and he isn't just thrust into that position and given the weapon (Orgrim dies and chooses him because of his honor and ability to rally the orcish people, so he wasn't just randomly their leader).
There were extenuating circumstances revolving around those events, so I have to say that he's not a sue.
Post by
Skreeran
aight i've been thinking of this since i finished Lord of the Clans awhile ago....i think Thrall is a sue...i mean a man who was at one time a slave escapes his many years imprisonment and goes out befriends THREE powerful people within less then maybe three months...then just as suddenly he get's thrust straight into a position of leading thousands of people and is given a legendary weapon....that just sounds so sueish to me...though i could be wrong. What do you guys think?Meh, he's not a sue IMO. He was first conceptualized before Warcraft 3 was even created. Foundation characters can't be sues. Otherwise, you might say Aragorn, Harry Potter, or Luke Skywalker are sues.
Post by
Joemaster240
aight i've been thinking of this since i finished Lord of the Clans awhile ago....i think Thrall is a sue...i mean a man who was at one time a slave escapes his many years imprisonment and goes out befriends THREE powerful people within less then maybe three months...then just as suddenly he get's thrust straight into a position of leading thousands of people and is given a legendary weapon....that just sounds so sueish to me...though i could be wrong. What do you guys think?
He didn't escape it on his own (opposed to escaping with no help from anyone), he had to prove himself to those three (as opposed to them just suddenly liking him), and he isn't just thrust into that position and given the weapon (Orgrim dies and chooses him because of his honor and ability to rally the orcish people, so he wasn't just randomly their leader).
There were extenuating circumstances revolving around those events, so I have to say that he's not a sue.
your right but still....this is a man who, up until recently, was a slave and with real ease he became almost instant friends with all three. And, although it was orgrims death that gave him leadership along with the doomhammer, it should most likely not have been Thrall and more likely been the more experienced Grom Hellscream, i mean he is inexperienced at leadership at the time, and he hadn't even known anything of his people before recently and suddenly he is given leadership of his people that he learned all about in the space of about 3 or so months, and one of the greatest weapons known to orc kind? i still think it reaks of sueism.
Post by
Rankkor
aight i've been thinking of this since i finished Lord of the Clans awhile ago....i think Thrall is a sue...i mean a man who was at one time a slave escapes his many years imprisonment and goes out befriends THREE powerful people within less then maybe three months...then just as suddenly he get's thrust straight into a position of leading thousands of people and is given a legendary weapon....that just sounds so sueish to me...though i could be wrong. What do you guys think?
not quite.
a sue is invincible, and thrall has been defeated, both before and after becoming a shaman.
a sue gains loyalty and friendship from complete stragers by doing nothing (unless "being cool" counts as something) thrall had to work is ass off to gain the trust of grom, and even more so to gain the trust of drek'thar.
a sue allways has a happy ending, and thrall losing taretha hardly qualifies as a happy ending. (likewise some sues allways have bad endings, and thrall liberating his people doesn't qualifyes as a bad ending either)
a sue is loved by all, hated by none, Thrall has many friends but just as many enemies, whatever friends he has gained he has GAINED them, not just befriended them by random chances of destiny.
he got into a position of leadership because of 2 things.
A: his heritage, he was the son of a legendary hero, Durotan was seen by many as a true hero as he was the only orc with guts to openly challenge the shadow council and refuse to drink the demon blood, so, if his son who was believed to be dead suddenly shows up, people tend to have hope.
just look at how so many people followed jesus because they truly believed him to be the son of god. Lineage plays a HARD role in morale, and if the son or daugther of a legendary hero shows up on any culture, you can bet people will follow them, regardless of wheter they are good leaders or not.
and
B: because of his instruction, he had the best of both worlds, he was trained by humans, both in weapons and in military tactics, as well as literature, history, he was trained to litteraly think like a human strategist, as such he knew their minds and could anticipate their moves, but he also was trained by orcs, first in the arts of orcish combat by the warsong, and in the arts of shamanism by the frostwolves.
so, he had good training by humans+warsongs+frostwolves, and was the son of a big hero of the horde, the fact that he defeated the one and only doomhammer and that this former warchief vouched for him also helped.
people didn't just followed thrall "just because" , several valid factors made that happen, Unlike Rhonin for example who was leading the army of the night elves, just because "his fiery hair and is alluring orbs of beuty were surpased only by his awesomeness".
I can admit that thrall is a bit of a creator pet (since he's pretty much the brain-child of metzen) but he has good redeeming qualities that many sues do not have.
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