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Post by
Arkham
Cenarius is still living in the DreamDid I miss a questline or something? I have heard absolutely nothing about this. I've been under the impression that he is actually dead, not Warcraft's usual "temporarily dead."
Post by
Adamsm
Since his father Malorne was said to have a strong connection with the Emerald Dream, due to its connection to nature, Cenarius' spirit was able to live on in the Emerald Dream as a spirit of nature. The night elves believe he sleeps in the Emerald Dream while his wounds heal, and that he will some day join them again.
The only clue to Cenarius' current activities comes from a conversation his son Remulos has with the spirit of Malfurion when players complete a particular quest. It appears Cenarius is now helping Malfurion combat The Nightmare that is disrupting the Emerald Dream, causing the corruption of The Four Dragons among other things.
It is believed that he will manifest a new body and return to the world if given enough time to recoverOff of his wowwiki page, so it looks like there is a reference during the old AQ Scepter quest.
Post by
Arkham
Oh. No wonder, I never did those quests. Thanks.
Post by
Septimus
Ok let me get this straight.
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-147,000
The Titans and the Shaping of the Universe
The Old Gods and the Ordering of Azeroth begins
-65,000
The Old Gods and the Ordering of Azeroth ends
-64,001
Charge of the Dragonflights
*
-10,000
The Waking World and the Well of Eternity
*Here we have the evolution of sapient races. Trolls first, then others would have followed soon. Most likely time for the Curse of Flesh to have taken place. Includes Troll/Aqir wars.
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But this still doesn't make sense....
Post by
Adamsm
Technically, the Earthen would have been during the Ordering ending and the Dragonflight given there charge, then the 'natural' races begining evolution.
Post by
Skreeran
How does it not make sense?
The Well of Eternity happened 10,000 years ago, the Titans left 64,000 or so ago. With world of Warcraft magic biology (Stegadons evolving into kodos, Wolves on both Draenor and Azeroth, draenei, orcs, and humans being able to produce viable offspring together, etc.) I'm certain that the Trolls and Tauren could have evolved in those 54,000 years.
Post by
Septimus
Curse of Flesh is what I don't understand. Too many contradicting sources about it.
Post by
Adamsm
Curse of Flesh is what I don't understand. Too many contradicting sources about it.
Heh, yeah that's what's going to get you every time. Myself, I see the Curse as hitting between the Sundering and the re-Awakening, as the War of the Anicents have the Earthen in their stone-skinned bodies during the War there.
Post by
Septimus
But then, how come no one noticed giant metallic-skinned god like beings marching around making new versions of the earthen and co.
Post by
Adamsm
Because those were created by the reset of Ulduar and the other's after Loken's insanity.... I think.......
Post by
Septimus
This is what I am thinking about the Northrend Earthen.
First bunch turn into Frostborn due to Curse of Flesh.
Titants ninja in to create The Forge of Wills*
Loken creates new Curse resistant Earthern
Loken goes crazy and uses the forge to make the Iron races and expels Northrend Earthen V2 from Ulduar
I think this sounds right, but it only works for the Northrend Earthen.
* May not be true, if so, the question is: Why was the Forge there in the first place?
Post by
Adamsm
Actually Sept your looking at in the short view; we don't know how long ago Yogg corrupted Loken and took over Ulduar. For all we know, the Sundering happened, Yogg got a tentacle free by some left over portion of the portal spell, and infected Loken. The Sundering hurt the Earthen, more then any other race, that's why they headed back into their vaults, to try to recover and heal and get their minds back, and during that time, the first stage of the Curse of the Flesh(the weakening) hits, and we end up with the different breeds of Dwarves and Troggs.
Maybe, before Loken's mind goes, or one of the non-infected Protectors, activates the Forge of Wills, seeing the destruction happening to the core race, which starts the new breeds we see in Northrend, and then once the Prime falls all the way into Yogg's clutches, that's when he does the Iron race thing.
As for why the Forge is there.... because the Titan's knew this might happen, and they would be forced to recreate everything?
Post by
Septimus
That sounds good.
It's just the fact that Blizzard hasn't given us a specific time to when the Curse took place. And the multiple contradicting sources leave anyone who tries to figure it out with a
large headache
.
And as I was reading you last sentence again, I remembered Algalon....
Post by
Adamsm
That sounds good.
It's just the fact that Blizzard hasn't given us a specific time to when the Curse took place. And the multiple contradicting sources leave anyone who tries to figure it out with a
large headache
.
And as I was reading you last sentence again, I remembered Algalon....
Aye, Argentsun... our eternal taskmaster and go to guy.
But yeah, Algalon is... interesting; I mean he was willingly to die to reset the world, as it would have meant killing the Old Gods so world goes kaboom. Still, you have to wonder how many Algalon's are out there on the different Titan forged planets.
Post by
HiVolt
I wonder how many different planets the Titans have actually forged. I wonder if they go about the same process on each one... creating the Wells of Eternity, the Dragon Aspects, the Earthen and such.
I wonder how many of those planets Sargeras has successfully conquered...
Post by
Septimus
I thought of something. We all know that Nozdormu knows how he is going to die, now some speculate that he created the Infinite Flight to stop this, but what if he created them to allow his death.
Post by
HiVolt
I thought of something. We all know that Nozdormu knows how he is going to die, now some speculate that he created the Infinite Flight to stop this, but what if he created them to allow his death.
That's a possibility... but who would do something to willingly cause their own death?
It's more my opinion that if he
is
the leader of the Infinite Flight, that he's been corrupted in some way.
Post by
HiVolt
Corrupted by what?
Well, that's the sixty-four million dollar question. The Old Gods? The Legion? Your guess is as good as mine...
Post by
Skreeran
That's a possibility... but who would do something to willingly cause their own death?He would if that's how time would have it. It seems to me that he might very well not have a choice in any of it, Dr. Manhattan style. He knows he's going to create the Infinite Dragonflight to kill him, and so he has to to preserve the flow of time.
Post by
HiVolt
That's a good point. It just still seems so... submissive.
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