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Post by Adamsm

As well as Tarren Mill.Huh? Isn't Tarren Mill at the border of Alterac Mountains... unless the town moved at some point.

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Post by Patty

http://www.wowwiki.com/Ambush_at_Tarren_Mill

Its location was retconned.

Post by Adamsm

Ah, during the 2nd War........ hmm, of course in that, they're saying the Mill is near the Elvish lands.....

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Post by Adamsm

It's weird.... I think the Silvermoon terroritory might have been far larger then anyone ever realized... if that orginal information is correct. Say that Tarren Mill was northeast of Southshore on the coast of Hillsbrad, could that mean part of the Elvish lands extended farther south then we ever knew?

Blizzard really needs to come back and show us a map of Azeroth during the first, 2nd and Third Wars......

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Post by Septimus

Well then I would say Ironforge needs a population update.

Post by Arkham

I always thought there was a port somewhere in/near Stratholme. :SYeah, he left right after burning Strathholme, right? If there was a port there (and since there were oil refinery operations going on there in War2, it seems like there would be), then I imagine that would be the logical place for him to have set sail from.

Post by Adamsm

I guess somewhere in that region is a port, maybe that's where that other gate in the Slaughterhouse of Strat was suppose to lead.... as opposed to the scrapped plan for connection naxx directly to the instance.

Post by Skreeran

Of course, after the Lich King is defeated, you'd think the Horde would have access to any port there. If not the Forsaken, then the Argent Crusade, and it'd be silly for the Crusade to withhold a port if it meant the Horde attacking Gilneas instead.

Post by HiVolt

Then again, the neutral factions might take stances of non-involvement in any possible war. If they were to allow the Horde a port, then the Alliance might consider them enemies, which the Argent Crusade wouldn't want.

Post by Skreeran

But that forces the Forsaken to attack the Gilneans, which the Crusade also wouldn't want. Heck, they might not even really want the port, with the Lich King dead. I imagine they'd face the same problem of purposelessness that the Ebon Blade's going to face, only existing to finish off what few undead are still lumbering aroung the Plaguelands. I imagine most of them would dissolve back to their original factions shortly after the Lich Kings defeat if they don't form another united front.

Post by HiVolt

It may force the Forsaken to attack Gilneas, but it also gets the Crusade out of the Alliance's radar as possible enemies. Often times with neutral parties, self-preservation prevails over all.

Post by Skreeran

Well, it's confirmed that Baine is the new TB leader...

I hope that doesn't mean that Cairne is killed, or at least that the Alliance did it. Garrosh killing him would just be too much stress for the Horde to take. No one would want to play under a leader that betrays his own faction in addition to being a general %^&*!@bag.

At least if the Alliance did it, we'd have our own "broken front" to point to. Of course, we'd also have a dead leader and a missing Warchief...

I'm sick of being so anxious over Cataclysm. There's two parts of it... The first being, I'm afraid that Blizzard has lost focus of what we (the Horde) want. We don't want Garrosh as leader. From what I can see, there's two major camps of Horde players: The Old School "kill everything for the glory of the Horde!" players, and the "we're not the monsters we used to be" camp. Even the first camp doesn't want Garrosh, as far as I can tell. Garrosh doesn't even think. Doomhammer was a good example of a leader who could represent that first camp, and Garrosh is nothing like him.

And of course, the second camp is much larger than the first, and we have Thrall. We love Thrall and Saurfang. In order for Garrosh to become Warchief, both of them have to go. That makes me uneasy.

And then there's the fact that, even after the matter, if everything goes back to the way it was in WotLK after Cata, the Horde has still lost just about any progress it's made towards peace since Warcraft 3.

Then there's the rumours... Bah... I know I shouldn't listen to them, but my mind snatches at any possible information like a hungry dog at table scraps... Even if not full blown rumours, but merely speculation... What if Jaina dies in Icecrown? Well, there goes one of the last Alliance-side proponents for peace... What if Saurfang dies? Well, that'd probably hurt worst of all. He really represents the New Horde's warrior spirit to me, and I suspect to many others as well. The noble warrior, who understands how to pick his battles and knows that the past wars were wrong. He seemingly can't be stopped, and that makes me happy. He's one of our greatest heroes, as far as real heroes in this story go. We have Thrall, but he's hardly at the forefront of the battle. Saurfang is the general that won't leave anyone behind, who we can trust to direct us well and stand in awe as he does what we wish we could do. Killing him would essentially be breaking the Horde's spirit. Sure, there would be others, but no one can takes his place. The Saurfang facts prove how much we love him, Horde and Alliance both. Killing him would be like casting Chuck Norris in a movie and killing his character just to prove Chuck Norris isn't as great as his fans "believe" he is, (even if they don't actually believe it). It's just a generally prickish thing to do.

I can't stand all this suspense and anxiety when we're looking down into possibly one of the worst periods in Horde history.

And my second point is that I hate waiting so long. All this tension and worry builds up in me that my favorite faction in my favorite story will be ruined. In the RTS games, it gave you the story, and no matter what twists or horrors took place, it always wrapped it up in a nice little bow, leaving you hungry for more the next time one came out. Think about Warcraft 3... Lots of heroes died there... Uther, Terenas, Grom, Cenarius... But the end left you with a tantalizing scrap of hope. The world would heal, and peace could someday be reached. The Frozen Throne came out, and things got tossed up again... We had the Forsaken come out, and the Blood Elves leave the Alliance, and Admiral Proudmoore attacking Durotar, and again, the peace seemed threatened... but again, at the end, everyone's stories got tied up into a nice little tentative ending.

And most importantly, we got it all at once. It was a roller-coaster ride that went from beginning to end tying up most of it's own loose ends and leaving you ready for the next. And that's what content patches did in WoW until recently. We had the Black Temple, which tied up all it's loose ends, and then the Sunwell, which came up and ended up tying up most of its own loose ends...

But now... We're left with patches that give us hints of a future that we don't want. And we're left waiting for months to see what becomes of it... How long after Icecrown will we have to wait to finally friggin' see why Thrall has Garrosh in the position he's in?

Bah... I'm just ranting at this point.

You all know I don't want the war that's coming. And I know what some of you are thinking...

"It's called WARcraft, stupid. There's always going to be war!"

And of course it's called Warcraft... But what are the two best patches I can think of in the history of WoW?

I'll tell you: AQ and SWP

Both times where the Horde and Alliance have risen to the occasion to fight a war that REALLY IS NEEDED. A war that won't end in innocent lives lost, but innocent lives saved. In Turalyon's words, a fight for something, rather than against something.

And that's not where Cataclysm is headed.

And if there's anything that will ease my anxiety about it, the information is coming at a crawl.

Besides, most players I've seen don't even really care about the lore. And it's a damned shame. Blizzard hears that people want war, so they make it happen. Who cares who it hurts. They're not real.

Well, I do care. I tend to get emotionally invested in the things that I read. I know it's not real, but I felt sad when Bambi's mother got shot, even if that wasn't real either.

And there's the end of my rant. Feel free to pick apart whatever you like from that.

Post by R1TeR

Since Garrosh banished all the races for ORG(excpet taruen) I think it would be cool if Vol Jin went to Thunder Bluff and helped out young Baine Bloodhoof and improve the relationship between the trolls and taruen.

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Post by Patty

Well, it's confirmed that Baine is the new TB leader...

Source?

Here and the Homepage.

Post by Adamsm

Heh, alright, Blaine is leader.

Still, anyone considered that Cairne dies in the Cataclysm itself? Maybe after saving the babies, he get's caught in a quake/lavaslide whatever, and Thrall, on his way back to deliver that news, that is when he is captured by the "Alliance"(just using the quotes as it's hard to tell if it's actual alliance or Black/Twilight member's trying to stir stuff up).

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