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Arcane frost mage-will it work?
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ginnakilla
well, i have been looking around in the amge forums and haven't seen any arcane frost mage specs. I was hoping to find one as i have made a new mage, currently level 22, and i thought the concept of arcane and frost sounds fun, but i have no experiance as a mage or the talents, i would appreciate any contributions to the spec i have made, please state if i have chosen something pointless, or terrible, but once again i know nothing of the mage talents. the spec is
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vch0IzeMZZhIcIcfuhbd
enjoy
ginnakilla
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Meggie
Arcane is no good till level 64, where you get Arcane Blast.
And in the low levels where you get less that 5 tickes of Arcane Missles it's rightout awkward.
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ginnakilla
ok, thanks for the dissapointing answer, but what about a deep frost,
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#o0xVcuZcZhIchsfzhfdMdsth
please tell me if its good, bad, anything wrong and/or improvements
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Madmick
The World Champion 3v3 mage rocked an Arc-Frost spec. So any theorycrafter telling you it's a bad spec sucks at the game. POM-Arcane stacking might make the difference in burst that kills and burst that fails for the Arena, but you'll be fine everywhere else.
I realized rather quickly that I get a lot of bad info in this place. Guys parrot things they've heard but never challenged; they perpetuate hashed axioms instead of working to find an alternate one.
First, I'm mainly a BG player right now. And I lead the entire map in killing blows in the majority of BG's I play. I usually make top 5 in damage.
As for PvE, I held 3.5k overall damage as Arc-Frost PvE in Heroic Violet Hold in half PvP gear. I held 5.6k on a single boss (check another thread I started...this is where I started to realize I was doing more dmg than the guys I was listening to).
I led the first (and only) 10-man I've ever done in damage as Arc-Frost (for several quarters of Naxx). I recently switched to Frostfire since all the best gear I'd collected in 5-mans stacked crit over haste, and in order to hit cap for 25-mans (since 10-man's are a waste of time, imo). My damage sucks now. Yeah, I had to sacrifice a crapload of stats for hit, but I can almost hold as much damage in this gear, with these talents, with these glyphs...when I simply switch to my Arc-Frost PvP spec. I've considered respec'ing back to Arc, and instead just use the Equipment Manager to switch in and out of gear with hit increasing stats: a PvE Trash spec and a PvE Boss spec. I don't know how viable this is, or if a bunch of guys are already doing it.
The only problem is that I did run a few quarters of Naxx 25, too. For 25's, Arc can't handle the mana demands. So I'll probably do the Equipment Manager thing with my Frostfire spec.
And I haven't gotten into the truest test of skills in the game yet, the Arena, and all the guys who can rock me in Durotar tell me that Arc is exceptionally difficult to use in Arenas. Almost all of them recommend Frost. And about 70% of top arena team mages are Frost. But, once again, the world champ was rocking Arc-Frost back when just as many guys were Frost and just as many were saying stupid things like "you can't win with arcane." So try them all out and see which works best for you.
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Madmick
Sorry, bullshizzle. Most mages dont do that period, let alone in "half pvp gear" im not saying its not possible to get that DPS what im saying is most people dont achieve that.
*Sigh*
See, this is why I don't argue with bookworms over video games. You have a very nice system of analysis there...that's validity is entirely predicated upon me being a liar. And I'm sure you've got a group of cronies in here that's going to assuage your threatened ego by reinforcing the implausibility of my story.
I don't know what to say, chief, it looks like I'm flat out better than you at the game. I mean, you can't even believe something I know that I've done. My brother knows I've done it. We've both seen it.
But you can manage your mana. Good luck with that.
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Post by
ginnakilla
okay, lots of mixed reviews, from my OP i am looking for a PvE build that has nothing to do with raiding! what, no raiding? your mad!, i have my paldin for raiding, my mage will be purely for fun, for doing the achievments ingame that take along time to do, something you might not normally have time for, if i'm honest, i am not good at PvP, and raids aren't exactly my thing, as i act REALLY bad under pressure, and has wiped many raid groups i have been with. back to the point, my mage is going to boost people, be there to help people in guild do quests, get achievments, no raiding, no PvP so no hardcore, super special awesome dps cycle spec, no max crit that will kill anything, no hypermad ultra wicked spec, just a spec that has easy to use AoE, and easy to manage REASONABLE (not high, but risky and complicated) average dps that will get the job done, not fastest, but still do it.
thanks
ginnakilla
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Madmick
I don't see anything there I disagree with. The irony here is that you and Dant are two posters from whom I've gleaned a great deal of information in here. It's threads like the stickies that keep me coming back and asking questions. One invites trouble anytime he criticizes without being specific, but I don't want to be; being so invites even more trouble.
The thread I started was honestly to see where I stacked up against real PvE raid mages. I didn't know what elite PvEers did in 5-mans. I had no clue. I didn't think it was going to be that impressive. When no one responded, I realized I was better at the game than I interpreted myself to be. As it turns out, a lot better.
In any case, we don't disagree: dogma is stupid and people shouldn't think it stupid to try crazy ideas. That idea ftw.
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