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Comentario de Harbinger

VERY lackluster necklace. I don't see anyone getting it with so many equal blue rewards like https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29173 for example. Blizzard has to re-evaluate it asap.

Comentario de 38138

While it should be better, it's still a good tanking neck, slightly better than the one dropped by Maiden of Virtue in Karazhan.

Comentario de Rubert

For druids it might be worth noting that a crafted necklace added in 2.1 patch is about equal to this one once you gain reach immunity to criticals from other gear and socket the crafted necklace either with +sta/+agi gems or +sta depending on what you prefer.

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32508

Comentario de 5027

This is actually an upgrade over the Strength of the Untamed though I know it doesn't seem that way at first. But with the higher +def and the agility, the total avoidance actually comes out to more than the Untamed neck piece. And you get a little more stam to boot. Not a huge upgrade, but it is an upgrade.

Strength of the Untamed -- 2.24% avoidance
Necklace of the Juggernaut -- 2.39% avoidance

Comentario de staramor

I am scratching out some numbers on this versus https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30378#comments Thalodien's Charm

15 block Value and 4 more stamina vs 19 agility and 7 more defense rating.

I guess it is the whole mitigation/vs avoidance debate...and there is threat too.

Threat 15 block / 6 sec slam cooldown roughly 3 threat per second (bonuses of one hand and shield mastery)
19 agility is roughly .6% crit . Revenge Sheild Slam and Normal 300 dps tanking? 1.8 . Call it 1 threat per second less for this epic. (not much compared to 500 to 700 tps we should have up)

The 19 agillty give you .6% dodge. The 7 defence rating give you about another .6% avoidance (7/2.4)* (.04*5) (some of that is block though). Call it 1.1% avoidance and saying you are getting attacked at 3000 dps (out of my hat number but seems like about right in a heroic mutiple pull or boss), this necklace would then be saving you about 33 hp / second.

15 block would save you 15 / (5 sec cool/2 blocks) about 6 hp per second although you might be getting an extra block or so in 5 seconds if faster attacks or mutiple mobs were in play based on the block rating.

Now here is what i havent seen enough talk about. How do you compare 4 stamina 44 hp, to a given avoidance per second? and to mitigation per second?

10 hp of mitigation per second is at least somewhat greater than an -average- avoidance per second unless you want a chance to win by russian roulette vs caculating what will work again and again. But.. thats a hard debate.. that we might leave asside and assume they are equal.(not!)

What is the 27 point differential in damaged recieved per seond worth compared to 4 points of stamina.? personally I'd think a 5 second window where a healer is stunned or out of range is a good threshhold.

27 x 5 = 135 hp in this seat of a pants coparison. Compare that to 44 exta hp from thalodien's extra stamina...and you get 91 hps improvement from this epic over the quest reward..
.. but wait there is also that bit of extra threat too...
And there is any benefit that consistent threat versus occasional threat (crit) and consitent mitigation vs bumpy avoidance is worth.

All in all, I am not really sure that I would wear this over thalodiens...probably ,, but just barely and hardly a priorty to grind for.

Comentario de 76512

I'm a bear tank, and this is one heck of a necklece... I just purchased it and I can't wait to get new boots (Instead of the Clefthoof ones) and other non def extra stam gear (I have about 470 defence but 12.5K HP..) this thing in my opinion is the second best tanking neck, the first being The Darkener's Grasp but it will take a while to get;-) anyway, Druids, start doing heroics.. If you don't like doing instances and feeling that it's pointless drop wise only for badges, I suggest you do The Blood Furnace for Mantle of Shadowy Embrace, Hellfire Remparts for Tree Mender's Belt, Underbog for Argussian Compass, Shadow Lab for Adamantine Figurine (Only if you really lack defence and I can't really see the use of the +1150 armor since your armor should alredy surpass the 22-23K and anohter 1K isn't such a huge difference but other than that, awsome trink).

If you're as unlucky as I am, you should have a lot over 25 marks by the time you get even 2 of those items... I only got the shoulders and I alredy bought this one, next on my drooling list is Ring of Unyielding Force .

Hope my comment helped anybody:-)

Comentario de Relwolf

I was looking at this chart and decided to do a little bit of math to see if Necklace of the Juggernaut was better really better then my recently acquired Barbed Choker of Discipline as a feral druid tank. That chart rated the Necklace of the Juggernaut higher but I was a bit skeptical.

Assuming that a feral druid has:
5/5 Heart of the Wild
AND
3/3 Survival of the Fittest
And is in Dire Bear Form (duh)

Here are the numbers I came up with (please correct my math if I made a mistake) (also note that this does not include Blessing of Kings):

Necklace of the Juggernaut:
Health: 488.4 ((33*1.48)*10)
Dodge%: 1.70 (((10*1.03)/14.7)+((22/2.36)*0.04)))
AP: 10.3 (10*1.03)
Crit%: 0.52 ((10*1.3)/25)

Barbed Choker of Discipline:
Health: 577.2 ((39*1.48)*10)
Dodge%: 1.38 ((21/18.9)+((16/2.36)*0.04))

From a pure avoidance standpoint the Necklace of the Juggernaut wins. It will also give you a marginal amount of Attack Power and chance to Crit (both of which would be amplified slightly by Kings). The the major draw back to Barbed Choker is difference in Defense Rating. Regardless of your crit immune (-2.6% chance to be crit either through dodge or resilience) the Necklace of the Juggernaut is the better choice. However if you already have the Barbed Choker and you are crit immune, save your badges for something that is a more significant upgrade.

It is also note worthy that Necklace of the Juggernaut is easier to acquire if you do not have a way into Karazhan.

Edited to fix the mistake in my math.

Comentario de Aris

Why would anyone buy this now that Brooch of Deftness is available for only 10 more badges. More stamina, and one of the very few tanking items with expertise.

Expertise IS a mitigation stat. The mobs dont parry your attacks as often, so their attack speed doesnt speed up because of parry'ing an attack, so you get hit less. While at the same time increasing your threat generation because they dont dodge or parry your attacks as often.

Not to mention it also has hit rating on it, which is rare on good tanking pieces.

The only reason i could possibly see getting this over the brooch, is if your not already crit immune through defense rating. But honestly, if your raiding KZ or doing heroics, your going to already be crit immune.

Comentario de Miffy

You're right in some ways and wrong in others.

First and foremost, if you would claim that the Brooch of Deftness is better than Necklace of the Juggernaut (for a Druid) in any way, shape, or form then you have obviously never went through the hell that is gearing a Feral Druid.

Contrary to what you said, any Druid that would equip the Brooch of Deftness over Necklace of the Juggernaut is indeed geared wrong. A Druid in T4 level gear would never dream of equipping a Neck, Ring, or Cape that did not offer Defense. Even in T5 level gear, Druids STILL rely on Resilience and/or Defense gems to get their cap of 415 Defense/2.60% avoidance to crits. That might seem like a small Defense requirement to a Warrior or Protadin, but it's a pain to get when none of your actual armor has Defense on it (this is excluding the clefthoof set because I'm talking about T4+). Only way around this is to equip a trinket with defense. Which in a Druid's case is a complete waste of a trinket slot. The only Defense trinket a druid should ever equip (unless in a resist fight) is the one off of Bloodboil. And by then, why not just get the Pendant of Titans? It's far better for a Druid than Brooch of Deftness.

Druids should not have problems with threat. Druid TPS does scale with gear to some extent, but seriously, a well played Druid in T4ish gear should have no problem maintaining 900+ TPS. If they can't maintain 800 at a bare minimum then they need to learn how to play the class. Hit/more threat via the ability to miss less doesn't become an issue for Druids untill the latter part of T5 content, pushing into T6. Simply because untill then very few DPS can regularly ride your ass on threat (assuming that you can properly tank).

Also, you only looked at Agility as a pure +dodge stat. That's not all it is. Agility is +crit in bear form. Crits are part of what makes Druid rage generation and more importantly threat generation. Not only that, but Agility also scales with buffs. Keep in mind that Survival of the fittest is +3% to all stats, Kings is +10%. With raid buffs, the Agility on this alone would be 1.5%ish dodge, not to mention the dodge from the Defense rating. Beyond that, it's actually a useful stat once you shift into Cat. Now obviously you don't want to work your tanking gear around how useful it is in Cat, but I felt that was worthy of a mention.

Comentario de 6780

Comparable to Barbed Choker of Discipline from Karazhan. Barbed Chocker has higher stamina, but this gives higher defense and trades dodge rating for agility. For a warrior this means less dodge. For a druid however, this will have much higher dodge and add crits (aka more threat)

Comentario de Allakhazam

On 2.1 test server, this is picking up:
+1 agi
+3 stam
+1 defense

That small change is enough to make it truly competitive with the Barbed Choker off of Maiden of Virtue. This is among the best tank necks in the game - and either this or the choker would serve you well into the 25-mans.

Comentario de Allakhazam

dude.. druids can tank to

LACERATE FTW ... :P u have been corrected

Comentario de Allakhazam

Pretty much perfect tanking stats, agi for dodge, stam for.. stam, and defense. Good balance of tanking stats.

Comentario de Allakhazam

I'M THE JUGGERNAUT &*!@#

Comentario de Allakhazam

I can finally say warrior gear and be right

Comentario de Allakhazam

Pally tank item.

Comentario de Thottbot

Tbh this is the best tanker neck for druids atm :D gg

Comentario de Thottbot

nope, https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=60414 is.

use http://www.gurgleblaster.net/emmerald/Bear_Mitigation/Neck.html for reference

Comentario de Thottbot

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Comentario de Thottbot

is this better than the neck off maiden for warrior or paladin tanks? just wondering. https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28516/carlanca-de-disciplina
Barbed Choker of Discipline

Comentario de Thottbot

If you are a druid and already over the +Def cap.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32508/collar-de-las-profundidades with 2 12 stam Gems or 2 4 agi 6 stam gems is in face quite a bit better than this one. (And its cheap too)

Comentario de Thottbot

I agree with the poster above, necklace of the deep socketted right can make it just as good as this stat-wise, if not slightly better.

This is nice for the defense though, but if you're fine on defense, then I'd say get the ring over this. Because if you're defense capped, I don't see the point to this, considering Necklace of the Deep with 2 solid stars gives;

21+ agility
44+ Stamina

So again, I don't see the point in getting this if you're def. capped as a tank druid. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

Comentario de Thottbot

Ive read several forums talking about a lack of defense availability for later end game druid tanking. This neck seems to be the best because of so much defense. There are lots of other places to put extra stam and agility, but neck and rings are the best spot to try and get defense. Imo get this neck and that will allow you to focus your sockets and enchants on much needed stam and agil. The agility on this baby is also lots of extra dodge and crit so its better than the dodge rating from the barbed choker of discipline.

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