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Would Blood DPS be viable for the Ulduar Raider?
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Sorrowbone
I have no idea what spec I would use particularly for Ulduar alone, but I know good Blood Specs from the past, I know the glyphs, and I know the rotations. Blood was my main spec until I joined my current Ulduar-raiding guild.
Upon joining, I have been the 12/0/59 spec. I enjoy it, the DPS is good, single target (surprisingly) and good on trash pulls.
However, my fellow Unholy Death Knight said that he is desperate to try Blood, but he does not have the gear yet. As am I slowly getting new gear, I'm finding there is a lot of Armor Penetration involved. Would this in any way make Blood viable for the Ulduar raider?
I understand that Ulduar involves a lot of AoE fighting and moving around, and Unholy can compensate for these, but Blood cannot in some cases. However, would the armor penetration out-do all of these?
Thoughts?
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Kologarn - Hodir - Freya - Auriaya - Iron Council - Ignis - Thorim - Razorscale - Yogg (to an extent) all are multiple bosses or add heavy.
Who the hell DPSs the adds on Ignis?
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Would be nice if some people posting could throw a WWS parse of unholy single target in let's say an easy fight like Deconstructor that can top 7.5k dps with no better than tier 7.5 gear. People in full tier 8 can probably dish better damage but even then it's still debateable.
On EJ during Ulduar PTR there were some Recount SSs showing a UH doing 8.6 or 8.8 on XT without Army.
Thing that sucks is Gargoyle is bugged on the heart and melees it instead of casting, making the CD near-worthless. Same is true on Yogg's brain and Kologarn.
It sucks quite a bit.
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my deathknight was speced with a 51/0/20 (called diseaseless) and i have that PoS titansteel destroyer so when i was trying out for a raid spot in my guild i wasnt putting out enough dps because of my weapon and that is what blood rlly is most of it is weapon damage, i changed my spec to a 44/0/27 spec and now my deeps is alot higher because i have he perma-ghoul
You will fail with this spec. I have no idea of how the mechanics work or the science of it, but this spec just does not scale with the gear. I used this spec for my first 2 raids in Ulduar, and I was failing. Hard. I went to 12/0/59, and I began to win, hard.
And Lynri, you know a lot. I mean a hell of a lot :p Thanks for filling me in on all of this. I see where you are coming from, as a lot of the fights in Ulduar are AoE. Just about every fight we do in Ulduar, there is AoE somewhere. I skyrocketed on DPS on Thorim, it was crazy. Came first by a mile, beating the people in full Tier 8 when I myself am still in Naxx25 gear.
This brings me to another question, Lyn. Is the 4 piece set bonus of Tier 8 worth it for Unholy? What about Blood?
Also, it doesn't really matter to me now, as a lot of my Ulduar gear is replacing the bog standard Tier 7, but is the Tier 7 4 piece set bonus worth it?
Thanks for filling me in.
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my deathknight was speced with a 51/0/20 (called diseaseless) and i have that PoS titansteel destroyer so when i was trying out for a raid spot in my guild i wasnt putting out enough dps because of my weapon and that is what blood rlly is most of it is weapon damage, i changed my spec to a 44/0/27 spec and now my deeps is alot higher because i have he perma-ghoul
You will fail with this spec. I have no idea of how the mechanics work or the science of it, but this spec just does not scale with the gear. I used this spec for my first 2 raids in Ulduar, and I was failing. Hard. I went to 12/0/59, and I began to win, hard.
Such a fail response
It scales great with gear, it does very high damage, and can put out about as much dps as every other spec
The "science" of it is that by not needing to use diseases you get more Heart Strikes and Death Strikes, since disease dont make your attacks scale by much
Quick "mechanics" for you
Blood only has 1 move that scales based on disease, Heart Strike
Which in a disease build is about 20%~ of your damage, and a diseaseless build about 30%~
Example -
Heart Strike Damage
Say it hits for 6000 without disease
6,000 * 1.1 = 6600 with 1 disease
6,000 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 7260 with 2 disease
Death Strike Damage - 9000
Disease Damage over 20 seconds - 2500 ea
PS - 2500, IT - 1500
Death Coil - 6000 - Sudden Doom gives us a 15% chance to proc this which adds 900 to each HS
Rotation
Disease - PS/IT DS HS HS // DS HS x4 = 70560 + about 5400 from sudden doom
D-less - DS DS HS HS // HS x6 = 66000 + about 7200 from sudden doom
75,960 vs 73,200, a minor 3% difference
Want more accurate numbers? Give me your personal damage per attack
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my deathknight was speced with a 51/0/20 (called diseaseless) and i have that PoS titansteel destroyer so when i was trying out for a raid spot in my guild i wasnt putting out enough dps because of my weapon and that is what blood rlly is most of it is weapon damage, i changed my spec to a 44/0/27 spec and now my deeps is alot higher because i have he perma-ghoul
You will fail with this spec. I have no idea of how the mechanics work or the science of it, but this spec just does not scale with the gear. I used this spec for my first 2 raids in Ulduar, and I was failing. Hard. I went to 12/0/59, and I began to win, hard.
Such a fail response
It scales great with gear, it does very high damage, and can put out about as much dps as every other spec
The "science" of it is that by not needing to use diseases you get more Heart Strikes and Death Strikes, since disease dont make your attacks scale by much
Quick "mechanics" for you
Blood only has 1 move that scales based on disease, Heart Strike
Which in a disease build is about 20%~ of your damage, and a diseaseless build about 30%~
Example -
Heart Strike Damage
Say it hits for 6000 without disease
6,000 * 1.1 = 6600 with 1 disease
6,000 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 7260 with 2 disease
Death Strike Damage - 9000
Disease Damage over 20 seconds - 2500 ea
PS - 2500, IT - 1500
Death Coil - 6000 - Sudden Doom gives us a 15% chance to proc this which adds 900 to each HS
Rotation
Disease - PS/IT DS HS HS // DS HS x4 = 70560 + about 5400 from sudden doom
D-less - DS DS HS HS // HS x6 = 66000 + about 7200 from sudden doom
75,960 vs 73,200, a minor 3% difference
Want more accurate numbers? Give me your personal damage per attack
Thanks for making me lol in real life mate.
When you put this in to practice and show me the DPS, especially beating Unholy / Frost Death Knights, I will be grateful. But you won't. It won't happen. The DPS won't happen. The spec doesn't scale with gear. I'm telling you this now.
I raided Ulduar with the gear I have now, a perfected rotation for trash and bosses, and I cannot match the DPS I have with Unholy. It just does. not. work.
I'm sorry, but your response is such a 'fail response'. You tried to impress with numbers, but failed. The only way to prove ANYTHING is to actually do it. I have done it. It doesn't work. End of story.
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my deathknight was speced with a 51/0/20 (called diseaseless) and i have that PoS titansteel destroyer so when i was trying out for a raid spot in my guild i wasnt putting out enough dps because of my weapon and that is what blood rlly is most of it is weapon damage, i changed my spec to a 44/0/27 spec and now my deeps is alot higher because i have he perma-ghoul
You will fail with this spec. I have no idea of how the mechanics work or the science of it, but this spec just does not scale with the gear. I used this spec for my first 2 raids in Ulduar, and I was failing. Hard. I went to 12/0/59, and I began to win, hard.
Such a fail response
It scales great with gear, it does very high damage, and can put out about as much dps as every other spec
The "science" of it is that by not needing to use diseases you get more Heart Strikes and Death Strikes, since disease dont make your attacks scale by much
Quick "mechanics" for you
Blood only has 1 move that scales based on disease, Heart Strike
Which in a disease build is about 20%~ of your damage, and a diseaseless build about 30%~
Example -
Heart Strike Damage
Say it hits for 6000 without disease
6,000 * 1.1 = 6600 with 1 disease
6,000 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 7260 with 2 disease
Death Strike Damage - 9000
Disease Damage over 20 seconds - 2500 ea
PS - 2500, IT - 1500
Death Coil - 6000 - Sudden Doom gives us a 15% chance to proc this which adds 900 to each HS
Rotation
Disease - PS/IT DS HS HS // DS HS x4 = 70560 + about 5400 from sudden doom
D-less - DS DS HS HS // HS x6 = 66000 + about 7200 from sudden doom
75,960 vs 73,200, a minor 3% difference
Want more accurate numbers? Give me your personal damage per attack
Thanks for making me lol in real life mate.
When you put this in to practice and show me the DPS, especially beating Unholy / Frost Death Knights, I will be grateful. But you won't. It won't happen. The DPS won't happen. The spec doesn't scale with gear. I'm telling you this now.
I raided Ulduar with the gear I have now, a perfected rotation for trash and bosses, and I cannot match the DPS I have with Unholy. It just does. not. work.
I'm sorry, but your response is such a 'fail response'. You tried to impress with numbers, but failed. The only way to prove ANYTHING is to actually do it. I have done it. It doesn't work. End of story.
Hmm the only thing i could guess is that you used to same gear (with the respecting glyphs for the spec) for both specs when unholy and blood itemization is vary different. may we see a list of gear or a armory ling to your toon to decide if what you are saying is true with no numbers from you or if you dident itemize right for one of the spec's thus making your post a "fail response" not that its not in the first place with the way you put down tala?
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