Why do you get mad at people who don't know their class?

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He was talking about using Seed on trash. Lol. Similar to Mages and Living Bomb.

On topic: Certain Heroics require you to be at a certain dps to proceed smoothly (i.e. the new ICC ones), and HoS and HoL aren't a cakewalk for fresh 80s either. With the gear you're basically handed today, there is no reason why you shouldn't be breaking 3k dps after your first week running Heroics. Go to your class forums, read the "How to dps with <instert spec here>" guide, gem/enchant your gear right, and go at it. Spend a week farming randoms and you'll be in T9 pulling 4k+. It's not that hard.

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I was talking about being under 4k gs.. and not yet having the money for gems and enchants... this isnt about a hypothetical situation with having the best T9 gear and gems and enchants possible... this is about common situations of people in low GS just running heroics.

Gear score doesnt affect the fact that for trash SoC will still provide competetive DPS for affliction warlocks compared to other classes of similar gear. Will you omgubarpwnzors the meters? No. Will you break 2k DPS? If you know what you are doing.

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Edit: That still wont bring you above 2k dps.

Yes it will.

I was breaking 5k with it at level 70, as were all T6 raiding 'locks.

If there are more than two mobs, it is one of the most potentially damaging spells in the gameConsider a fight with Ick.

With corruption ticking every 3 seconds, with CoA doing crap initial damage, haunt, UA, and 3 second shadow bolt spam ( which was critting for 4kish max) + running away from his explosions, toxic sludge, and novas. How the hell do you do 2k dps with low GS? Quickly run through those numbers in your head....

Corruption level 8: 1050+ (1k bonus spell damage) = 2k over 18 seconds
CoA: 1740 + 1k = ~3k over 24 seconds
UA: 1150 + 1k= 2k over 18 seconds
haunt: 700 + 1k over 8 seconds
shadow bolt: 770+1k over 3 seconds

+ GCDs, DoT cast time, etc.... how the hell can that equal 5k DPS>? with a very rough and liberal estimate that is about 10k (dots) + 15k (shadow bolts) / 18 seconds = not very much... + ~20% crit chance... (25k + 25k * .20)/18 = 1.6k

Your gear, spec and rotation is entirely wrong if shadowbolt is taking 3s to cast, and your priorities are in the order of listed spells. Not to mention your gear would appear to have no spell power on it, as all your spells are doing base damage.

Try harder troll.Can you even read? I added 1k bonus spell power to each spell. Second, they are not in any particular order. Third, I was in PvP spec with 17 points in affliction. But 0.5 sec reduced cast time from bane wouldnt make a huge difference. + not everyone in LFD is optimally talented.

1k spell power =/= 1k spell damage.
It also is far below level 80 gear's spell power ( I had more in T4 gear).

If you are in a PvP affliction spec - Dont PvE. It wont work. Haunt/Ruin is a punishingly difficult spec, only for the experienced. If you want epic DPS in low quality gear, go destro and faceroll. If you are in PvP gear with almost no haste - dont go affliction.

In short, you are doing it very wrong, and claiming unfair discrimination based on spec, when the spec is fine.

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No you win on trash. I was talking specifically about PoS... where there arent 7 mobs per pull... i usually just used rain of fire on trash mobs. Can we discuss this post now please?
For affliction, SoC will always beat Rain of Fire, except on single mobs.

For PoS single mob trash, it lasts long enough for the standard rotation of SB -> Haunt -> UA -> Corr -> CoA to be sufficient to provide competitive DPS.1) I wasnt using an optimal rotation (and most casuals like the ones I am defending arent either... we arent all pro wow players who study their chars on wowhead)
2) With only about 1k additional spell power... (also similar to lots of low geared casuals) dps was still lacking

dont forget the original point of this post about people belittling other players because they dont study their character on wowhead.

1) Thats your fault not the spec's.
2) 1k spell power is NOT similar to low geared players at 80. Not for a warlock. Spell Power does not translate to DPS either.

3) The point was not about "belittling other players because they dont study their character on wowhead", it was about getting angry at those who do not perform to the best of their classes ability through ignorance. As I said, very early in the thread, I dont get angry, I tell them where they are going wrong, and how to improve.

I only get "angry" at people who insist that they are not to blame for their poor performance, and blame it on their spec (Affliction locks are a very good example of this).

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I can screen shot you a picture of my lock's spell power later if you want. Not even close to 2k in all 219s. Am I supposed to be punished for not pveing in destro?

Here is my warlock back when the profiler didnt support capturing armory.

Without any enhancements, he has 1500 SP dead. Add Fel Armour, he goes up to just shy of 1800. Assuming all blues, maybe knock 300 off that.

So yes, 1000 SP is incredibly low.
I mean cmon... blizz did not make all those talent trees so everyone could agree on one spec to use.
There are several warlock specs that are equally as potent in PvE, however Affliction is by far and away the most difficult to do well, arghueably of any class.

That's my point exactly though... not everyone is going to be optimally geared, optimally specced, optimally gemmed and enchanted. Most people don't CARE that much, but yet they have as much of a right to LFD as everyone else.That doesnt mean that they cant be shown how to do better.

If anything its to their detriment for them not be shown how, provided it is done with tact.

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1) Yeah, but as long as we're not wiping shouldn't I be able to spec however the @#$% I want? How much of a diff would a few talents make?
With Haunt/Ruin, a hell of a lot. You are welcome to do whatever you like, but dont expect people to like you for it.

2) How does spell power translate then? Cause on the mouse over it reads "bonus spell power"
Every spell has a different coefficient of how much extra damage or healing it actually deals from spell power.

3) This post was aimed at that player making fun of the DK gemming spell.... who the &*!@ cares really. If you're not wiping and youre moving along just fine... just chill the %^&* out, stop whining at dps, get ur emblems and leave.
"Doing fine" is all well and good, but if some helpful advice could make things get along better in the future, whats wrong with offering it?

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But that doesnt mean I go rail on some tank who doesnt have all the right talents and gear... i just tell them hey so and so talents are mandatory, 540 makes u uncrittable, etc. most are usually pretty receptive.
Why should it be this be true for tanks but not DPS?

For some specs, some talents *are* mandatory!

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1) Yeah, but as long as we're not wiping shouldn't I be able to spec however the @#$% I want? How much of a diff would a few talents make?
2) How does spell power translate then? Cause on the mouse over it reads "bonus spell power"
3) This post was aimed at that player making fun of the DK gemming spell.... who the &*!@ cares really. If you're not wiping and youre moving along just fine... just chill the %^&* out, stop whining at dps, get ur emblems and leave.
your partially right if your not wiping its ok and you can spec however you want but.. If you could kill something faster than why wouldnt you want to ? well the difference in a few talent points does make a difference in your dps.

i dont inspect people i run with in instances even if there doing badly. the only person i care about in there is me, I do what i can to help out the group ill throw some heals on me or others if the healer is struggling ill grab that one loose guy if the tank is busy i try and keep guys off my healer. + I care about my dps and how im doing (even though its not always where others expect it on recount, but im doing other things than just attack attack attack) I dont play the game to QQ or care what someone else does I play to have fun and try and be the best i can be. now if someone QQs about my d33ps i just ignore them if the group decides to kick me i deal with it then just que again If someone offers advice i listen, consider it, and thank them for there advice. as im not a pro and even if i was would never say so.

life is a learning experiance and no one knows it all, but there are ones out there that think they do. people like me know how ignorant they really are.

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How can you expect everyone to go on forums, study their talent trees, make sure they have all the right gems and enchants? At the end of the day it's just a game right? People play this game for fun, to pass some time, to chat, etc.

However, you also can't expect everyone to have the same definition of "fun". A lot of people play WoW for the challenge of raiding and hard modes, and that's their "fun". Heroics, then, are simply a means to an end, and they want to get in, get their emblems, and move on as quickly as possible.

Indirectly, what you're attempting to establish is whose fun is more important, but that's not a measurable quantity. I think you're going about it the wrong way, because what you're doing is attempting to invalidate what someone else finds fun.

What if Blizzard implemented a fifth check box on the LFD panel - something like "Speed Run"? Someone using the LFD with that checked would be grouped only with other people also looking for fast heroics. Perhaps they could even implement an additional reward for completing the instance within a particular time limit.

Why do you get mad at people who don't know their class?

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