Relic of Xuen vs 5.2 trinkets

Publicado por CalaelenDT

How is the Relic of Xuen (2/2 upgraded) going to compare against the 5.2 trinkets? Looking into getting it but I don't want to waste that much gold on something I'd be replacing in a month.

Having only access to the Valor trinkets and LFR versions, is Relic going to be on-par or better still or should I not bother with it anymore?

I've looked around various sites but haven't been able to find even a rough list of trinket order in 5.2 anywhere.

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Publicado por DraconisAerius

Relic (2/2) has about 1k static str, with a 3k proc. The new trinkets from VP in 5.2 have 8.8k on use. It's good, and it will help you clear alot of things, but the 5.2 ones are better.

Publicado por Piz420

The Advanced Frost Tactics thread on EJ explains all the new trinkets and current trinkets as of last week from the PTR and current/future gear. All with math and the authors own opinion. Should check it out, its VERY useful.

Most of us paid 90-100k as soon as we hit 90 for our Relic of Xuen and it was a great investment early on. Get it!

I've looked around various sites but haven't been able to find even a rough list of trinket order in 5.2 anywhere.

You did not look hard enough, grasshopper :p The list IS out there.

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The trinkets are only covered in the DW section, anyone playing 2H or Unholy has a diff stat priority so the dps rankings would be different.

Publicado por Piz420

Could you by chance link me that Advanced Frost Tactics thread? I only ever see 4-5 threads on the EJ boards, do you need to be a member to see more or am I missing something?

I'll do you 2 favors :)

1- I copy and pasted the Trinket section here
2- The Best advice you can get is in the comments on these threads. Always check these threads daily and read the new posts. You do not need to be a member to read these public threads, only to comment on them- which I do not reccomend. Leave that to the pros and Zandar. Mendenbarr has been active everyday the past 2 weeks adding to this thread so It gets more and more useful as other DK threads were done early in 5.1

Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler
Below are the scary guts of the new trinkets and metagems. This information is for theorycrafters. You don't need to read this to understand how the mechanics work or enjoy their benefits.

Trinkets

Strength DPS
- Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault - 15% chance on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 75 sec ICD.
- Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun - 0.56 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 22 sec ICD.
- Primordius’ Talisman of Rage – 3.00 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- Spark of Zandalar - 5.00 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- Gaze of the Twins – 1.00 RealPPM on critical harmful abilities and spells, periodic spell, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
Update:- Gaze of the Twins – RealPPM on critical harmful abilities and spells, periodic spell, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.

Trinket rankings (all done with 522 ilevel version):
Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault: 1467 expertise * 1.8 = 2640 (you're going to be expertise capped with or without the trinket, and this value is the best case scenario, assuming you can reforge it all into mastery (expertise elsewhere). In all likeyhood, it will be closer to 1500) 8800 str for 15 seconds, with ~ 82 second intervals, 1610 static strength * 3.67 = 5907 + 2640 = 8547 dps

Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun: 1467 hit * 1.8 = 2640 (you're going to be hit capped with or without the trinket, and this value is the best case scenario, assuming you can reforge it all into mastery (hit elsewhere). In all likeyhood, it will be closer to 1500, or even 1k considering how much hit we have) "Your attacks have a chance to grant Feathers of Fury, granting 1333 Strength every 2 sec for 20 sec." Assuming the first proc starts at t=0, by t=18 the proc will be at 13330 strength, for an average of about 7331.5 strength * 3.67 = 26906. 0.56 rppm * 1.5 from melee haste = 0.84 ppm, 22601 with 1 ppm/4 = 5650 (with 1 ppm and 20 second uptime, and a 22 second ICD, it will proc once every 80 seconds on average, giving it a 25% uptime) _ 2640 = 8290 dps

Primordius’ Talisman of Rage: 1467 crit (587 mastery* 1.8=1056.6/880 crit*1.39=1223.2, reforged to mastery) = 2279 dps. Your attacks have a chance to grant you 1538 Strength for 10 sec. This effect can stack up to 5 times. 3 ppm * 1.5 meleehaste = 4.5 ppm, 75% uptime baseline * 1538 =1153.5 * 3.67 = 4233 dps, however each time a proc is overridden, the duration of the last proc is effectively extended to back to 10 seconds. There is a 75% chance of this happening each proc, with an average extension of 5 seconds, or 3.375 ppm with an uptime of 5 seconds, 16.875 extra seconds a minute, 28% uptime * 1538 * 3.67 = 1587 dps. 8099.5 dps

Spark of Zandalar: 1467 haste (587 mastery* 1.8=1056.6/880 haste * 1.65 = 1452, reforged to mastery) = 2508 dps. Equip: Your attacks have a chance to grant you a Spark of Zandalar. Once you have accumulated 10 Sparks, you will transform into a Zandalari Warrior and gain 7333 Strength for 20 sec. 5 rppm * 1.5 meleehaste = 7.5 ppm, 20 sec duration 0.75 ppm of actual buff, = 25% uptime, *7333 strength *3.67 = 6728 dps + 2508 dps = 9236 dps.

Gaze of the Twins: 1467 str * 3.67 = 5383 dps, Your critical attacks have a chance to grant you 2868 Critical Strike for 20 sec. This effect can stack up to 3 times. Following calculations work if you get 1 crit every 10 seconds, or more often, 1 ppm * 1.5 meleehaste = 1.5 ppm, 50% uptime baseline * 2868 crit * 1.39 = 1993 dps, however each time a proc is overridden, the duration of the last proc is effectively extended back to 20 seconds. There is a 50% chance of this happening per proc, or .75 times per minute, and the average extension will be by 10 seconds, or a 12.5% uptime, worth 500 dps. 7874 dps total.
These calculations were done before the change to the way the proc worked. It will now be slightly better with about 25% melee crit, slightly worse with below 25% melee crit, and the same with 25% melee crit. First look suggests this won't change ranking order.

I would personally rank them in this order:
Spark of Zandalar
Primordius’ Talisman of Rage
Gaze of the Twins
Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault
Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun

Legendary Metagems

Capacitive Primal Diamond – 15.00 base RealPPM on landing melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD. At 5 stacks, fires Lightning Strike, which deals Nature damage. That base proc rate is multiplied by an additional coefficient by spec:

- Frost DK (2H): 1.309
- Frost DK (DW): 1.572
- Unholy: 1.34

Note: For DW frost, the legendary meta is worth about 5k dps in current gear. I'd imagine it's somewhat close for all specs. However, the cost of losing the normal meta gem is 2k, and I can't find the post I thought I read saying you get to keep both, so it's possible I'm crazy and that the net gain is 3k.

Meta gem value calculated by simming a full BiS DW setup with and without the meta gem, 2159 dps loss.
Legendary meta calculated for DW by using base AP of 48k, assuming procs will bring average ap to around 60k, 60k*.75+280=45280 dmg per proc.
15 base rppm*1.572 DW modifier * 1.5 melee haste modifier = 35.37 ppm/60 = 0.5895 pps/5 procs per hit = 0.1179 hits per second = 5338.512 dps * 15% meleel crit chance = 6139.29

All info for other classes and specs has been removed to clean up the post, and can be found at the link below.

Publicado por CalaelenDT

Thanks for copy/pasting that Piz, I found the thread you were talking about myself as well.

I found similar information to what you posted before, but what I was looking for was how the pre-5.2 trinkets held up against these new ones. I'm not a theorycrafter or any good with numbers so I can't math it out myself, so I was hoping for a list having both 5.2 and pre-5.2 trinkets in order of best to worst.

Unless any 5.2 trinket flat out beats any pre-5.2 trinket (at LFR level)?

Publicado por Piz420

You're welcome. If you dig around the older posts, they list current trinkets. I believe the SimC is on the main page of them too. off the top of my head for us non H16/16 raiders-
Lei Shins Final Order and the Relic are BiS. Upgrade them first before weapons then armor.

Publicado por CalaelenDT

I'm probably not making myself clear, apologies for that.

I'm looking to see if getting the Relic of Xuen with only 3-4 weeks before 5.2 is worth it, or if the 5.2 LFR trinkets will be superior. So I was hoping there was a list out there listing ALL trinkets including the ones from 5.2 so I could see how the Relic holds up overall.

Publicado por Piz420

It will most likley get replaced with a il522 N trinket. Not sure what 5.2 LFR item level is. If you have a il489 Lei Shins, then I would hold off... Otherwise I would totally get the Relic now cause its so cheap and will last 3-4 weeks easily. Probably longer since LFR is too random when giving out items and you may not get a new trinket for weeks!

Publicado por CalaelenDT

Alright, I'll just go ahead and grab one than. Currently using Medallón de cráneo quebrado and Vórtice Niebla Negra, so I'll replace the Skullrender with the Relic (upgraded to 2/2).

Not running normal modes and LFR loot is iLevel 502 if I'm not mistaken so that would be the best available to me along with the Valor trinket.

Thanks a lot for the help!

Publicado por DraconisAerius

There are ilvl 522 valor trinkets available at friendly rep with the new raid faction. If your guild full clears in week one you might even be able to get that trinket in that week.

Publicado por CalaelenDT

There are ilvl 522 valor trinkets available at friendly rep with the new raid faction. If your guild full clears in week one you might even be able to get that trinket in that week.

I know, but there's only 1 so even if I were to spend my Valor on that I'd have another slot open. Also, Blues have said it'll be 1 boss kill to get Friendly most likely so everyone who kills a boss will be Friendly the first week.

Relic of Xuen vs 5.2 trinkets

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