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Kommentar von 8199

Couple things to note when you get mangle. Remove claw from you action bar, it is a huge improvement over claw. When you're not soloing apply the mangle debuff then get behind to shred. Shred with the mangle debuff is one of the best ways to maximize damage at this point.

Kommentar von 8253

Since they buffed pounce a huge damage booster is start out with a pounce then hit the target with mangle making the pounce bleed for 170ish a tick. Then pile up some mangles to be able to rip for a big dot or finish them off with a ferocious bite.

Kommentar von StoneLegion

Best move ever for a feral druid. Its a must have! It takes the same power and cooldown as the old Claw and it does much more damage. It's extremely recommended for feral druids!

Kommentar von sensou

Rogue and Warrior bleeds benefit from the mangle debuff too--throwin' down some heavy Garrote/Ruptures....

Kommentar von 31376

Does the debuff +30% more damage from bleed effects stack with other druid Mangles?

I heard the stormstrike debuff on shamans stacked for a time, and was the result of the 26,000 damage shaman crit.

Curious if the same thing could be said of druid groups/raids.

Kommentar von 37922

Is it 160% of normal damage? Because mine shows 192%, and i have the Savage Fury talent, does that make it 192% or is it recently changed in a patch? Thanks on beforehand :)

Kommentar von 104402

So does mangle essentially replace claw for feral druids in cat form?

Kommentar von Rattja

Yes this one replaces claw, you will use this move as you would use claw. So as long as you have this there is no need for claw on your action bar

Kommentar von Kiros

Claw basically became useless with this talent/skill, claw needs an upgrade imo, or it's useless for feral druids, non feral will use claw but for us for blown kitties...claw deserves an upgrade.

Kommentar von 114718

for me this seems to replace shred also, usually deals 30-40 more damage at level 50. Or am I just seeing things.

Kommentar von 65819

I'm a sub rogue who pulls #1-3 DPS in SSC/TK with a feral druid in my group because of the bonus rupture/garrote damage, on top of the bonus bleed damage from serrated blades.

Kommentar von 93437

A great talent, just picked this up the other day.

Perfect to use after pounce followed by shred then rake and then rip.
This deals damage and gives a debuff which causes your bleed effects and shred to do more damage resulting in faster kills.

(Be sure to replace Claw with this as it is far superior!)

Kommentar von cparle87

I've been asking some of my high level Druid friends this question and I keep getting different answers. On my Rogue if I activate a trinket adding to my attack power and then use Rupture, which has 24% of my attack power added as damage across its duration, the entire duration of the Rupture will receive the increased damage, even if the trinket wears off before the Rupture completes its run. If I have the Mangle debuff on a mob and Rip, and the Mangle debuff wears off during the duration of the Rip, will it lose its increased damage or not? As I said I've asked friends and some say yes some say no. On the other hand if I Rip first and then Mangle will Rip be boosted?

Kommentar von 86175

Obtained through talents

Kommentar von Thottbot

I love this new 41pt feral talent.

At level 52, I crit equal level mobs for around 480-540 damage. If the mob happens to be highly armored like a turtle, no problem. A 5pt rip is now doing about 182 damage a tick. Good stuff.

Just wondering if Blizzard will nerf it soon.

Kommentar von Thottbot

it wont be nurfed, in the patch that was today it got buffed, same with Dire bear form armor and HP :D

Kommentar von Thottbot

Well I'm not sure what you're comparing to but mangle does not hit harder than SS unless your rogue has a crap weapon. The energy cost is also the same as SS. You have to put in 5 talent points in order to reduce it to 40 energy. However, what you said about claw is true... for people who are willing to spec this far into feral, claw will be completely replaced.

The bear mangle is so different from MS. It's nowhere near the damage capability of MS and does not have the very useful effect of reducing healing. The extra bleed damage is not as useful in bear compared to cat. This is because you do not have any bleed moves until Lacerate at 66. IMHO, the only time this 'extra bleed damage' portion of mangle would be used consistently would be in a party where the rogue & warrior decide to use their bleed moves.

However, it is useful as a rage dump in between mauls to hold aggro on one target. Previously, the only thing we could use was swipe and it was horrible. Plus, mangle does way more damage than swipe and that in itself is good enough for me to like it. :-)

Kommentar von Thottbot

Hey i was just wondering if, for example, i rake THEN use mangle will the bleeding effect still work on the rake DoT or do you have to mangle FIRST then use rake to get the + bleeding damage? Thanks =)

Kommentar von Thottbot

As well as my question above id like to know if this effects the UP FRONT rake damage as well as the DoT rake damage or just the DoT damage, thanks.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Mangle is much much better than claw
Mangle does same amount of dmg as shred BUT shred does more dmg if Mangle buff is on the target
It is very useful in bear form since it is instant cast not "on next attack" spell like maul and it can crit around 2k at 70 lvl

Kommentar von Thottbot

now with this and maim there will be absolutly no point with claw mangle by its self removes claw but being able to mangle then shred someone will make claw a pointless waste of energy

Kommentar von Thottbot

I used to have trouble in pvp with people higher then me, now I go into the bgs as a level 50 and still dish out some of the highest damage in the end. Pounce, rake, mangle, shred, mangle. Great opener, I take down rogues in catform now. I hope blizzard doesn't nerf this. I like being able to stand up to people higher then me. If you've googled druid mangle, alot of people misuse the spell and use it once but don't put bleeding effects on at all. I don't think claw will be replaced by mangle though, mangle has a cooldown so claw can make a good filler when you've got the bleed effects loaded.

Kommentar von Thottbot

ferel druids got nerfed last patch newbert.

but feel free to keep QQ'ing all over these message boards.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Most evil ability obtained by Talents good PvP druids can crit like 3.5 k with

Kommentar von Thottbot

At 52 mangle cat hit 300 and crit around 600-700.

Kommentar von Thottbot

ok...so i have a question...i understand that you can rake before or after you mangle..and you will get the increase dmg...but..do i have to mangle before i shred to get the shred bonus dmg?

Kommentar von Thottbot

This attack is very good, same cost as claw, more damage plus that bleeding debuff so it completley replaces claw, my friend lv 62 attacked a 66 hunter, owned him, his attacks went like this: pounce, mangle, shred, rake, maim, his energy went back up and then he used shred again, the hunter tried to run away after he got out of his stun and he moved backwards, not too smart, fell off the edge right behind him.

Kommentar von Thottbot

hey, I'm a 49 feral druid about to get mangle (very excited) but from what i read i shouldn't crit so hogh because at lvl 49 with no mangle i can crit 1.4k with ravage and 1.6k with ferocious bite ( 5 combo 100energy) so how much do u think i can crit with mangle at lvl 50 my name is Luchiem, 49 NE druid on mok'nathal server check me out on armory tell me what i should improve thanks.

Kommentar von Thottbot

probably a bit higher than u can crit with ur claw. Right now i can crit about 1k with ferocious bite maybe 1.05k and about 900-1k(max) with ravage. and my claw crits for usually around 150-200+ but i dunno what a level 49 would crit with claw. mangle completly replaces claw so once u get mangle don't ever buy any of the ranks of claw again. Your main in battle weapons will be mangle, ferocious bite, and shred if PvP.

Kommentar von Thottbot

ok thanks i just lvled to 50 today and i love mangle it's awesome, druids FTW! (feral druids :p)

Kommentar von Thottbot

I still advise you to buy every ability once it's available unless youre extremely strapped for cash..feral druids should still buy Claw. Why? have you ever heard of a druid that DOESN'T re-spec? exactly. everyone wants to try moonkin or resto for a bit, even to see what its like. Claw is like a secondary move, its there when you need it if you arent specced feral. you never know. just buy it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

ya good point so far i have bought all the abilities no matter if i use them or not thanks for all your guy's helps

Kommentar von Thottbot

Just got 50 today, i love mangle! its like a shred cept u can do from the front It's also much better than shred(but doesn't replace it) because it costs less if you have ferocity and it has the bleeding debuff. My highest crit with this so far is like a 600 something it normally crits for in the 400's tho ( 795 crit with current shred) , Previously i couldn't kill a warlock without using my insignia of the alliance, now i start like this and i own them every time: Pounce, mangle, shred, shred Rip. Usually one of the previous moves crits cuz i have a 30% crit chance and thats a 5 point rip. Then i go caster and use barkskin while im feared and when i get out i use remove curse, and HT or regrowth, back into cat and spam mangle or shred again with FB upon 4 or 5 combo pts. Owns em every time. I've tried balance before and didn't really like it. My lvl 70 friend let me play on his druid and switch it to balance, caster just isn't my style, however treants are really fun. But im going to stay feral. Against classes like warriors, pallys, resto druids and shammys i usually have really long battles but this + rip is usually what lets me win. Rougues... well lol haven't beat one yet since lvl 40 these guys just use blinding powder and run away lolz.. Mages i still own, locks now i can kill them. And hunters yeah i can still kill them too. Priests usually die fast as a result of my bleeding stacks ( pounce, rake, rip and my mangles and shreds) But if their shadow i have to use insignia or resist the phsycic scream. Other ferals are probably the easiest to kill iff i get the first hit.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I have a 59 Arms Warrior and this is the one ability that always kills me they do it in this order - Pounce, Mangle, Rake, Mangle, Rip, go into bear form Stun me use HT or Regrowth, Rejuvination, Mangle, Rake, Mangle Ferocious Bite then I die. They're was a 59 Twink (im not) against me and a Shaman and he owned us both all because of Mangle, the bleed bounus is priceless because of all the bleed abilities the Druid has...so all you really have to do is mangle Bleed and you win.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Great aility, got it last night- love it! =)
WHen I've used it in PvP on a 54 mage, we KO'd each other. I hit him with al the bleeds/mangles I had, and he killed me with a pyro at 1/4 health. Then shortly after died.

Same thing with a 43 lock. I put oy bleds on him/shreds before he starte fear-spam, killed me with fear/felguard, but then my bleeds go thim.

Love it!

Kommentar von Thottbot

dude i just played so much it wasnt funny- 1.3 months ago i was a srry 28 druid now im an all epic feral druid that kicks ass-and mangle is obviously the best druid move(2nd is healing touch)

raitoryuzaki-baelgun server 70 all epics dr00d

Kommentar von Thottbot

Dunno if this has been said yet, but the initial damage of rake IS counted as bleed damage. Read the tooltip...seriously, ever noticed how it's not affected by armor?

Rake the target for (AP/100+17) bleed damage and an additional (30+AP*0.06) damage over 9 sec. Awards 1 combo point.

Initial is bleed. Also, i've noticed that the initial damage of rake does get increased by mangle, and will also hit targets which are bleed immune (odd...) but regardless, yes, initial rake damage is increased by mangle.

Mangle owns, it does more damage than my shred used to do at level 49, and now shred only does more when they have the mangle debuff, even then it's not worth casting most of the time (mangle = 40 energy and shred = 42 with talents) so this effectively replaces TWO abilities (if you're still using claw when you have mangle i'm surprised you even reached 50 with that logic). Also, when mangle hits for as high as it does and crits that high, i'm not sure whether rake's even worth casting WITH the mangle debuff, it may deal slightly more but it's without the ability to have such massive crits as mangle.

So yeah, in conclusion, i wish i hadn't wasted 2 points in shredding attacks. 42 energy for shred really isn't worth it when mangle is 40 (yes, it's considerably less, as 42 energy leaves you with only 38 energy for the next attack, which isn't enough for another shred/mangle)

Just my 2 cents. I still use ferocious bite over rip as rip can't crit, so imo the mangle debuff ain't too great 'cept for pounce and lacerate (when you get it)

Kommentar von Thottbot

Mangle is like a cheap backstab you can do from any angle... hence you gotta love it :p Plus it costs 40 (with 5 points in ferocity)energy which is useful considering energy ticks back 20 every few seconds. And the bonus to bleed dam is the icing on the cake. I prefer FB to rip when grinding mobs as by the time i have 5 CP on them their near death and just need a quick burst of dam to finish them off. Rip would be more useful in a prolonged fight... say pvp or dungeon bosses

Kommentar von Thottbot

I have just reached level 50 and now mangle and love it but was wondering if there is any use for claw now. i cant think of why i would use it. Does anyone know where i would use claw over mangle.

Thanks in advance.

Kommentar von Thottbot

nope mangle completely replaced claw for me

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