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Kommentar von Mikezila

Not a bad choice for a Rogue, weither they're spec'd Daggers or Swords. I grabbed it over the weaksauce sword the quest rewards you with. Maybe not the most "by the number" efficient choice, but the damage is decent enough that I think it's close enough to be worth having a dagger to backstab and ambush with, rather than just another sword with so-so dps.

Kommentar von Yorkville

This dagger is not a bad off hand dagger for rogues(it's 1.50 speed, which means more procs of your poisons), I'd probably use https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=19548 or https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=19544 for my Main Hand instead, if I was going dagger.

Kommentar von Cybersonix

This dagger procs often, anyone that can confirm how often?

Kommentar von 111622

I used this on my 39 twink, threw Lifestealing on it and I barely ever died, the only thing better than you should use on this is Mongoose, becuase of the procs. Definitly use some sort of Stat effect enchant or attachment on this dagger, maybe Deadly Poison or Hemmorage. With Lifestealing on there, it procs 30 shadow damage and with this an extra 30 shadow damage per 1.50 seconds, so along with Lifestealing, the poison of choice would have to be something with Extra Proc, like Instant Poison, aside from a stacking poison, becuase your target will be dead very soon with this dagger ^_^

Edit: Yes I would as well take Sentinel's Blade with a +20 Agility Enchant paired with this or a Weapon Damage increasing enchant, also high speeds will cause more high-end damage often, rather than those slow and powerful hits. As an Assassin Rogue, best pair would be these two weapons for those instand one-shot-kills (1sk's), deadling fast poisons and quick getaways with the numerous occrences of Crippling Poison. (assassin rogues are specced for poisons, fast movement, and common critical strikes, best used with fast daggers, all assassin rogues require a Dagger in the Main Hand)

Kommentar von 137414

I did a little experiment: 500 swings. The shadow effect proc'd 24 times; about 4%. (Was using windfury to increase swing speed, in case that matters)

Kommentar von 161108

hey guyz im new at wow im lvl 40 now rogue im combat can i use dagger and sword ir dagger and dagger at combat,,?

Kommentar von Thottbot

The color of the item (green, blue, purple) doesnt determine weather you can weild two of the same item. the item itself no matter the color can have a unique tag on it, which means that you can only have one of this item. of course then there are items only gained through quests and obvisouly you wont be getting 2 of them. so yes you can weild 2 identical blue items or purple, but you will never be swinging 2 identical unique items.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Why do rogues keep getting hypnotic blade?hypnotic blade has intelect just to let alot of you know. just get the quest dagger for main hand and get a 1h sword for offhand.

Kommentar von Thottbot

hey if you would put fiery on this dagger would it negate the shadow damage?

Kommentar von Thottbot

i have this as an offhand weapon. good for proccing poisons w/ slice and dice =]

it adds up VERY good to my widowmaker dagger :) which i have in main :)

and the unique issue:
the color doesnt matter you can have two the same weopons in both hands... unigue weopons mean you CANT wield two... even better you cant even carry a second weopon...

blue items are nmot allways unigue... unique is available in all colors

lvl 42 rogue.

Kommentar von Thottbot

is there a quest before the quest for this dagger?

Kommentar von Thottbot

this item isnt a drop, its an ally q reward, u cant get 2 of em, just 1, i got it with my rogue & i like it :D

Kommentar von Thottbot

is there a specific level required to pick up this quest? if so, what is it?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Really so much to correct....

1. This dagger is obtaned from a quest. If you do not have the quest you cannot get it.IT doesn't DROP anywhere!

2. The dagger EVERYONE is talking about is the coldrage dagger that drops from Amnennar the coldbringer in RFD.

3. NOONE can dual wield a "unique"blue dagger. check the tag !

4. READ! It will help in the game and life!

Kommentar von Thottbot

if im a fury warrior, should i get this or the sword? i will be dual weilding it with vanquisher's sword and i don't know if i should go for speed or stats... anyone?

Kommentar von Thottbot

go for the swords buddy

Kommentar von Thottbot

where can i get this quest? awesome rouge dagger btw=)

Kommentar von Thottbot

They are basicaly the same thing. Only coldrage procs frostbolt for 20-30 damage and slows the target rather than proc 30 shadow damage shadowbolt. Would be really good if they allowed one of these daggers to be a diferent speed (dps maintained) since rogues at around level 40 don't sorta have any other "free" choice. And no, I am not prepared to pay 100g-200g for a Gut Ripper which will last me only a couple of weeks since leveling is fast.

Kommentar von Thottbot

i chose this over the sword because 1) it is free 2) will not be using it for long 3)slap fiery on it and with the speed it is good for DW in PvP battlegrounds with the vanquisher's sword (if that is the one with +28 atk power)

Kommentar von Thottbot

"its Kinda good for a Mage or Warlock :P"

hahahahahahahhaha, rofl, nooob!

Kommentar von Thottbot

raleigh the devout, hes the guy who u get the quest from

BUT: i cant seem to be able to talk to him to get the quest, and i AM lvl 35, just got there today

is there any chain quest leading up to the "black menace reward" quest? if there is, please post after this... i am VERY confused, and i REALLY want this dagger.... *cry*

Kommentar von Thottbot

If you are 39 twinking with a rogue, then go for the sword of serenity, instead of black menace. Sword of serenity is going to be the only weapon an alliance character can get with 30 DPS, and even if you want to go daggers, then you can always get the Sentinal's Blade, which gives stats for about .5 (I think) less DPS, but the agi on the sentinal's blade will give you more crit, higher dodge, some attack power, and more armor. Plus the stam on it is nice.

Kommentar von Thottbot

well since Claw of the Shadowmancer sucks for rogues, take the black menace since you already have a decent off hand sword

Kommentar von Thottbot

ok there is NO counter on the horde side 4 that quest called into the scarlet monastery u get aswword a neklace or a off hand thing i chose the neklace 4 the stam bonus.i would chose thus 4 any allince rogue due 2 the dps or coldrage dagger either of them would do great.

Kommentar von Thottbot

ok all of the rogues who are wondering "this or the sword"
it really depends an ur style of play and how uve spent ur talents.
ima combat rogue so i would take the sword. the sword is pretty fast for a sword so im going to get the lvl 38 wsg sword for bigger SS and Evas.

thats my opinion and it goes with my spec and style of play

Kommentar von Thottbot

i thought it was lvl 34 lol ya but igot it its sorts twink ur a lvl 39 and which i am

Kommentar von Thottbot

its ok, but you should get coldridge dagger, i beleive it is prolly better than this. ofcourse this is a nice off hand rogue weapon, but wait till you start running ZF.
instant bone
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Kommentar von Thottbot

IDK if this quest is chain or what i cant even find the guy for it. and is it even the best pvp weapon for a rogue, at 39 because i dont have good money all i got is questing

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i sleep with this knife under my pillow

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Friggen sweet dagger. Too bad I'm Horde. :/

Kommentar von Allakhazam

You cant seriously be using this at mid 50s!

i got this at 37 and i think 45 is the around which ill change for a better dagger, or compareable mace/sword.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this is a good offhand weapon, not mainhand. if your still backstabbing with this at 57......well im not gonna say it.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

As a rogue, you can't beat this dagger. It's my pick for Best Dagger in the game because it is easily obtainable (popular quest in popular dungeon) at mid level (40, in theory as low as 34 though), and it outperforms almost anything you are likely to get until mid-50's.

As a dagger rogue myself, I'm nearly 57th and still backstabbing with it (with a +4 damage enchantment and sharpening stones to boost it another +6 damage). As the progression goes, my next dagger will likely be the Lifeforce Dirk from Sunken Temple (which I could have had four levels ago, but I'm doing ST with lower level friends).

The only drawback I've found with the Black Menace is the occasional shadow damage proc from a Gouge hit, which of course breaks the stun created by gouge. While this can be annoying, it is fairly rare and the overall damage boost the proc provides is worth it.

Sadly, if I don't complete ST soon, I will be replacing this with Heartseeker, a much-superior blade I've acquired the plans for. There is no easy upgrade in between the Lifeforce and the Menace, and I'll be using an epic-level piercer upgrade from something that has carried my weight (into your back!) from 40th level onward.

Notice: I'm not saying there aren't daggers out there with better stats or higher damage; I'm saying that the Black Menace is simply the most USEFUL dagger to the average player (not just high end-game). And finally, if you are a sword specialist, grab yourself a Trash Blade if you haven't already!

Edited, Tue Mar 1 10:34:41 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got this at 34 :) very nice

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got this on my 36 rogue.. omg firey enchant+blackmenace= godlike.. cant wait till 40.. gut ripper and black menace ..

Kommentar von Allakhazam

from what quests do i get it? and at what lvls? and hwere? :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

How often do it proc?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Nice dagger, fantastic DPS and good proc. Considering how much SM is %^&*!d you should have no problems getting this dagger--all you have to do is grind on skeletons for a little bit in desolace and then you can get the quest :P

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Im lvl 35 right now and iuse ziggler mh hypnotic oh and iwas wondering if ishould use black menace (after i kill herod, its all i have left) or Ziggler in mh because of course black menace has higher dps but the ziggler has a little higher damage, iwas thinking Black menace mh zigg oh

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Has anyone noticed that this and Coldrage Dagger have the exact same damage/speed?

Though Coldrage is just a little bit better pvp-wise because it slows.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

just got the blade, coupled with hypnotic blade on my offhand, hitting every quarter of a second,greatest blade ever for my level, i am quite impressed and i have to say, in moonrunner SM is not *!@#$d, its hard enough to get a group there, much harder to get a good one, but ive got a few pals who would have been glad to help, id say that this was the best reward for the quest

Kommentar von Allakhazam

is this enchanted or does it all ways have a blue glow

Kommentar von TerribleAtGames

Disappointing low proc chance. Simply disappointing. I'm using this on offhand with Kaltwutdolch on mainhand, the latter which procs at average once during each fight. To comparison, Black Menace procs once each 10th fight.

Kommentar von Taraezor

Finally, my rogue has a replacement for Hypnoseklinge from the second boss of Gnomeregan. And my, what an upgrade! Coupled with my Hand der Rechtschaffenheit which drops in the Cathedral wing of Scarlet Monastery and i am a non-stop killing machine.

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