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Thanks a lot, I appreciate the informed answer. Also I was reading the 7/10/54 post and I was wondering if using something similar like this 0/15/56 spec http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=6&tal=00000000000000000000000000003200505000000000000000000000230230333003215003150003133151 could be a viable raiding spec with the Icy Talons increasing white damage to make up for the 8% loss on Necrosis and Black Ice increasing almost every form of damage we put out. Thoughts, Comments?

Well your going for increased shadow damage, so I would drop the points from blood-caked and go for necrosis (since necrosis is shadow there for its magical and will ignore armour AND it will always do the additional damage, where as blood-caked is a proc. chance and will only hit 1/3 of your hits, it directly bases of weapon damage and gets reduced by armour since its a physical attack.)

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Well your going for increased shadow damage, so I would drop the points from blood-caked and go for necrosis (since necrosis is shadow there for its magical and will ignore armour AND it will always do the additional damage, where as blood-caked is a proc. chance and will only hit 1/3 of your hits, it directly bases of weapon damage and gets reduced by armour since its a physical attack.)

BCB is an very strong talent. Do not ever drop points from it. Necrosis is weaker than BCB due to its nerfs this patch.

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While I'm only leveling my DK, I do run and check recount constantly and it's telling me that necrosis (5/5) is 4.5% of my damage with BCB (3/3) being 3.5%; does BCB scale better or are you counting per point damage?

Well as you're grinding (attacking mobs head on I assume) BcB should come up slightly higher in raids as then BcB wont be parried.

And doing some math: 4.5/5 < 3.5/3 ==> BcB is better point by point (and even more so in raids)

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alright thanks for clearing that up for me.

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s'all a matter of personal prefrence.

hoenstly, never liked BCB ~ I find that for me it doesn't do enough to warrant keeping it.

If your behind a mob, and you got the amount of hit you need, your not going to get parried alot. Maybe 5 or 6 times out of three - five minutes on your melee swings. Necrosis ffects that, constantly, just seems liek a better invest ment to me.

liek I said, necrosis and bcb are open to interrpertation and personal prefrence.

here, this is what I run right now, and I &*!@ing love it.

Two peice set bonus with raid buffs makes my SS have a 46% chance to crit. Yes, no need for it to be that high, but still gearing through naxx 10 and such, I am just litterly drooling over 8 k - 9 kk SS crits.

Thankyou Lynri.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfcMVZZfMhIx0dtcq0csut:rbLmVM

A couple of notes:

Hit does not affect Parry. That's Expertise. Linking the two together in your sentence is incorrect.

Necrosis was much stronger and easier to justify 5 points in before the 3.1 patch. Now it is much weaker due to the nerfs.

Your build is confusing. Bladed Armor is worthless at 3 points (and not that great at 5, either).

1 point in Dirge? Make that two or drop it altogether. My recommendation is make it 2 points.

And for a final note, BCB > Necrosis for damage contribution. Point for point, BCB yields a higher increase to your DPS than Necrosis. There's math on it somewhere I could link, but I'd have to dig for it.

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my build is confusing because you fail to remeber my orignal post where I asked for help.

And I am helping. 3/5 BA is terrible. Max it or drop it. BA is a lackluster talent, especially in comparison to something like Black Ice, provided your gear can support 10/61. The only way BA is worth the points is 5/5. Max it or get rid of it.

What do you do if you want Necrosis, Desecration, Dark Conviction, and Wandering Plague all at the same time?
Cut the fat from blood.

What "fat" are you talking about here? Dark Conviction is part of that "fat" especially as you start to step into Ulduar. It becomes easier and easier to crit-cap based on raid composition making DC worth less and less as your gear improves.

Necrosis is a solid talent, but it is nowhere near amazing like it was pre-3.1. It's the first place to lose points if I want something else. As it stands, I run 2/5 Nec ATM.

Having expertise and hit at recommanded caps gauretnees mroe Runic Power, one point and find I never even feel a drain on my RP. infact, I have way too much, sitting at 100 before i can even get it all off...

Then you are not utilizing Unholy's flexible GCD schedule to its maximum.

...that will eek out that one extra .% of dmg. Do you want to go nuts over that? I don't. I figure as long as I'am in top five out of a 25 man meter, I'am doing my part.

"Eke" was the word you wanted. "Eek" is a scream.

Top 5, you're doing your job and you're not being carried. This is good, but any average DPS can make top 8 or so. Show your worth and beat some "pure" classes at their own game. Show up to some PUGs and absolutely destroy some meters. It's how you make future contacts in Guilds and friends to get invited to future PUGs for weird stuff. I PUGed my OS10+3 title based on my performance with a group of people from the past. I'm not telling you to agonize over every .01% of your DPS, but don't be satisfied in 4th on the charts.

Let me find the math on BCB.