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Heroics - Let's skip all optional bosses
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Beitrag von
Woyruu
I've been running Heroics non-stop for past three days in order to gear myself up and I noticed that a lot of people seem to skip bosses instead of doing full instance.
I ask - what any other reason is there to go Heroic other than emblems (of triumph)? Especially when I see that the guy has over 20K HP which usually means that he has better loot than what the bosses drop. There is no reason to just skip bosses, it usually takes few more minutes in exchange for more emblems. Instead they choose to waste people's time. I wait 20 mins for a group, do it in another 20 minutes and then wait another 20 minutes. If we spent 30 or 40 minutes in the dungeon we would logically save time.
I left the last instance and rather went to do something else because priest told me "tank decides". What the hell? Why would tank decide for a whole group?
Beitrag von
Rekijan
Because most people just need the frosties
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534868
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Beitrag von
Rubendesmet619
Or, I don't know, just freaking stop letting Ilv251/Ilv264 geared people going random heroics just for 2 freaking emblems.
Beitrag von
Rekijan
Or, I don't know, just freaking stop letting Ilv251/Ilv264 geared people going random heroics just for 2 freaking emblems.
You mean like they are implementing in cata already?
With emblems being replaced with points (kinda like honor points) with a weekly cap.
Beitrag von
obiwaynekenobi
Pretty much it's because NOBODY really WANTS to do the random heroic, they just do it for the phat lewtz. So with such an influx of geared people who just need the 2 Frosts, the people who could actually use the extra badges (if not the gear, I mean if they're really just starting out) get told to STFU.
Really, I don't even see the point of having gear drop in heroics anymore. There's no use for them now that we have lolbadges to gear up to
raid level
items. IMO they shouldn't even have badges from individual bosses, you should just get a bag of stuff that has X many emblems at the end of the dungeon, so you just zerg through, kill the last boss and get the same emblems as if you killed all of them; no more people getting into fights because so-and-so wants to do the optional bosses for the bonus emblems, and the ICC-geared tank tells him no way he's not wasting 4 more minutes.
Beitrag von
pezz
Even for some people who do need triumphs it's faster to skip them.
Think of how long it takes to get to the stone boss guy in HHoS. I get two emblems for finishing the instance, and I can jump right back in the queue, and if I'm a tank, or a healer, or have one for a friend, right into another instance with two bonus emblems at the end. Is it really worth delaying all of those emblems to take ages going through all that unnecessary part of the instance for one extra emblem? For most people, it really isn't.
Beitrag von
Woyruu
Even for some people who do need triumphs it's faster to skip them.
Think of how long it takes to get to the stone boss guy in HHoS. I get two emblems for finishing the instance, and I can jump right back in the queue, and if I'm a tank, or a healer, or have one for a friend, right into another instance with two bonus emblems at the end. Is it really worth delaying all of those emblems to take ages going through all that unnecessary part of the instance for one extra emblem? For most people, it really isn't.
You gotta be kidding. "Gettting to the stone guy" won't take more than 5 minutes TOPS. As a DPS, you will wait anywhere from 5-30 minutes for a random Heroic.
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Beitrag von
Uricidea
It's obvious people will only assist one and another when there is a reward involved. It is dificult for me to understand the degree of selfishness a GAME can uncover.
Blizz could implement an exchange program to re-value the Triumphs. Let peeps turn in a number of Triumphs for a Frost. It would have to be many but it would make Triumphs valuable to some degree.
I tank at least 5 Daily Randoms for guildies. I have an uncountable number of Triumphs, but killing all the bosses in an instance is easy and no trouble. It helps peeps get rotations and other skills together while they improve their gear.
Beitrag von
Rekijan
It's obvious people will only assist one and another when there is a reward involved. It is dificult for me to understand the degree of selfishness a GAME can uncover.
Blizz could implement an exchange program to re-value the Triumphs. Let peeps turn in a number of Triumphs for a Frost. It would have to be many but it would make Triumphs valuable to some degree.
I tank at least 5 Daily Randoms for guildies. I have an uncountable number of Triumphs, but killing all the bosses in an instance is easy and no trouble. It helps peeps get rotations and other skills together while they improve their gear.
Converting triumph for frost is just horrible, might aswell get rid of frost all together then.
Anyway the point you are trying to make is moot since they already announced a new way of dungeon/raid reward to replace the current emblem system, like I said a few posts back
You mean like they are implementing in cata already?
With emblems being replaced with points (kinda like honor points) with a weekly cap.
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534868
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Beitrag von
Uricidea
Converting triumph for frost is just horrible, might aswell get rid of frost all together then.
Anyway the point you are trying to make is moot since they already announced a new way of dungeon/raid reward to replace the current emblem system
Why would buying up to Frost so bad. Because it would reduce the gear gap between Casual and Hardcore players even more? How could that be bad at all. Frost geared guys could ultimately use Triumph to get P Saronites. Sounds good to me.
Creating a buy up program could happen right now. NO waiting for Cata. Again, that sounds god to me.
Beitrag von
USMCDiablo
Converting triumph for frost is just horrible, might aswell get rid of frost all together then.
Anyway the point you are trying to make is moot since they already announced a new way of dungeon/raid reward to replace the current emblem system
Why would buying up to Frost so bad. Because it would reduce the gear gap between Casual and Hardcore players even more? How could that be bad at all. Frost geared guys could ultimately use Triumph to get P Saronites. Sounds good to me.
Creating a buy up program could happen right now. NO waiting for Cata. Again, that sounds god to me.
Because then more people would be selling Primordials and prices would drop even more. Repair bills get expensive ^_^
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Beitrag von
pezz
Even for some people who do need triumphs it's faster to skip them.
Think of how long it takes to get to the stone boss guy in HHoS. I get two emblems for finishing the instance, and I can jump right back in the queue, and if I'm a tank, or a healer, or have one for a friend, right into another instance with two bonus emblems at the end. Is it really worth delaying all of those emblems to take ages going through all that unnecessary part of the instance for one extra emblem? For most people, it really isn't.
You gotta be kidding. "Gettting to the stone guy" won't take more than 5 minutes TOPS. As a DPS, you will wait anywhere from 5-30 minutes for a random Heroic.
Unless, as I said in my example, you have a tank friend/guild member/ random person in trade who also needs some triumphs. Works if you know a healer too, as their wait times are seldom worse than a minute or two. Still less than half of the average boss + trash time.
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201699
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Beitrag von
NeoBlackheart
I wouldn't mind a system where you can tranform 10 triumph into 1 frost sure it would take forever 100 triumph for 10 frosts 900 triumph for 90 frost.
you would have to do 150 runs to get them if you average 6 badges a instance
each instance being average of 20 mins 3000 minutes of work
50 hours of work in game
just over 2 days of play time would have to be invested to get all 90 frost emblems.
Even hardcore raiders would have a hard time with that. and it would cut back on farming gold from some people.
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