Young Chinese toddler in China got ran over twice and no one helped her

发布者 Atik

What amazes me is that the first driver CLEARLY knows he hit something, stops for a minute, then keeps going without a second thought....

A child would make a pretty big bump. I would at least get out to see what I hit, let alone if my truck was okay.

发布者 xlanadenx

In-case the age confirmation and above is not enough, I will say it one more time. This video is very graphic and tragic to watch. Skip the video and read the following news story if you want to get all the information with out the footage

http://www.shanghaidaily.org/article/?id=484913&type=National

Cheers,
Hat

The very reason most of those people ignored the child is in that very article.

The notorious "Nanjing Peng Yu" incident is fresh in people's minds even after five years. In 2006, in Nanjing City in east China, a young man named Peng Yu who had just gotten off a bus went to aid a 65-year-old woman who was knocked down by a fellow passenger. The woman eventually sued Peng, claiming he was the one who knocked her down.

It's people like this that make just about everyone afraid to lend a hand. That and what I've said before about problems going away if people ignore them.

发布者 240140

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发布者 xlanadenx

Okay so this video has ruined my life. And not even in the kind of "A kid is starving, that's really sad, I guess I'll donate"-kind of way. I mean there's nothing to do about this.

We'll all forget about it in about a few weeks at most. Maybe it will resurface at a time where we might encounter a similar situation. Hopefully, we'll keep this in mind and use it to help decide our actions.

Xlan, a good person would not mind being sued if it would save a childs life.
It's not about what a good person would do. There's no doubt about it. It's the fact that they have to live with the fear of repercussions for helping.

I'll give an example:

When I first started as a cashier, I was told that I could turn my light out a little early before going home. During that time, I was to turn away customers. I turned away the first few which earned me a few dirty looks but during the last transaction a little old lady had walked up to my counter and put 3 small items down. I was supposed to turn her away but I couldn't find it in my heart to do it. This lady had a hard time standing and the line was short. So I did what I would do and rang her up. Afterwards, the cashier in the lane next to me informed me that one of the women I turned away saw what I did and was pissed. She went so far as to tell my manager because she didn't think it was fair that someone "got special treatment." I got in trouble for respecting/helping my elders.

Similar situations occurred the more time I spent at my job. Where I would help someone in need and would ALWAYS get in trouble for doing what I thought was helpful. Eventually I learned to just strictly do my job, forget about helping out or lowering a price a little to help someone out. It made my life a lot less miserable.

发布者 Jubilee

We'll all forget about it in about a few weeks at most.
I don't just randomly forget things, especially things that hit me deeply

发布者 Atik

We'll all forget about it in about a few weeks at most.
I don't just randomly forget things, especially things that hit me deeply

I forget whether or not I ate breakfast most days...

发布者 gnomerdon

i haven't seen it yet. so im not scarred :(

发布者 91278

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发布者 ZombieJesus

...I just... I don't even know what to say.

She probably could have fking survived if someone cared enough to take her in sooner. Does no one even have a cellphone to call an ambulance? How hard is that...

%^&* man!

发布者 gamerunknown

Most Germans had no idea it was going on.

By the point that the Jews were systematically massacred, many of the Nazis political opponents and dissidents of other stripes had already "disappeared" and the concentration camps were the focus of German black humour. But people went about their daily lives.

By the way, this sort of thing is called the Bystander Effect in psychology. Some people can be conditioned out of it, but most people when they witness an accident or emergency in a large group are struck by torpor because of a diffusion of responsibility - no-one feels individually responsible. Even if the perpetrator didn't purposefully do it in this case, they feel there wont be recriminations since nobody has called him on it after the minute.

This sort of thing could happen in any culture with cars (unless someone had a mobile phone or there was a landline nearby, in which case a quick anonymous call should have been warranted).

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发布者 MyTie

Were the Nazi's excused for murdering Jews because that was just a 'cultural' thing, and that it wasn't their fault at all?

No, because it wasn't a cultural thing. Most Germans had no idea it was going on. Funny how propaganda works, no? :P

Wow. 1930s German culture wasn't anti-sematic? I agree that there was a percentage of the population that knew nothing of what was going on, but a large percentage did know. Those people did nothing, like these 15 people who saw this toddler in the street.

I refuse to excuse these 15 people from blame. I don't care if your culture has been anti-toddler for 3K years. You see a toddler bleeding to death, and you feel something because you are human.

发布者 91278

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发布者 MyTie

Wow. 1930s German culture wasn't anti-sematic? I agree that there was a percentage of the population that knew nothing of what was going on, but a large percentage did know.

Citations, please.
Jewish Virtual Library:
Certain initial aspects of Nazi persecution of Jews and other opponents were common knowledge in Germany. Thus, for example, everyone knew about the Boycott of April 1, 1933, the Laws of April, and the Nuremberg Laws, because they were fully publicized. Moreover, offenders were often publicly punished and shamed. The same holds true for subsequent anti-Jewish measures. Kristallnacht (The Night of the Broken Glass) was a public pogrom, carried out in full view of the entire population. While information on the concentration camps was not publicized, a great deal of information was available to the German public, and the treatment of the inmates was generally known, although exact details were not easily obtained.
As for the implementation of the "Final Solution" and the murder of other undesirable elements, the situation was different. The Nazis attempted to keep the murders a secret and, therefore, took precautionary measures to ensure that they would not be publicized. Their efforts, however, were only partially successful. Thus, for example, public protests by various clergymen led to the halt of their euthanasia program in August of 1941. These protests were obviously the result of the fact that many persons were aware that the Nazis were killing the mentally ill in special institutions.

As far as the Jews were concerned, it was common knowledge in Germany that they had disappeared after having been sent to the East. It was not exactly clear to large segments of the German population what had happened to them. On the other hand, there were thousands upon thousands of Germans who participated in and/or witnessed the implementation of the "Final Solution" either as members of the SS, the Einsatzgruppen, death camp or concentration camp guards, police in occupied Europe, or with the Wehrmacht.Backing Hitler. Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany Robert Gellately, Oxford University Press (retrieved from citations in Wikipedia):substantial consent and active participation of large numbers of ordinary GermansMy question is, how could you think that millions of people disappearing wouldn't be at least noticed by "a large percentage of the population"? I found these two citations in all of 1 minute. I'm sure there are tons of others. As my citation mentions, they had the Night of Broken Glass, the Laws that were printed by the government. The citation does leave out other stuff, such as the publically carried out summary executions in and near the Ghettos. On December 7,1942, the US issued a formal proclamation condemning the extermination. On May 12, 1943, Polish government-in-exile member and Bund leader Szmul Zygielbojm committed suicide in London to protest the inaction of the world with regard to the Holocaust. Not to mention, there were people ridding in cattle cars into camps with constantly running smoke stacks. I don't doubt that some people were oblivious, but a lot of people knew.

Citation indeed.

发布者 ElhonnaDS

That hurt to watch. On a deep level. I think that the first morotist should be charged with murder. The initial impact and first tire going over the girl was an accident. But he stopped, then made the decision to drive over her with the back wheel. There's a good chance that the second tire was what killed her. At the very least, it's attempted murder, since driving over someone with a car intentionally is a good way to try to kill them.

As gross as the total indifference to this is by the passerbys, I have to ask what is wrong with the parents that their toddler was wandering the street unattended. She was on camera for 7 minutes after she was hit, and had been wandering for who knows how long before.

A lot of people blame this kind of thing on Bystander Effect and Diffusion of Responsibility- basically, the theory is that the more people witness something, the less likely it is that any one person is going to take personal responsibility to intervene. This is A) Because often people think that with this many onlookers, someone else must have already called, and B) if they see 20 other people not helping, they feel more ok with not helping themselves. Articles here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility

My personal opinion is that those are fancy terms to say that most people are dirtbags, and won't get involved if they think no one with judge them for it. I think that in this case, it's especially heinous because it was a child, and it was a matter of just pulling her out of the street to try and save her life. It's not like someone could justify it by saying "I thought someone else was calling." IThey coul see no one was helping her.

发布者 91278

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发布者 ElhonnaDS

I'd kind of like to know what "Chinese Superstitions" you're talking about, and see what sources you're citing other than....Facesmasher.

I have had friends from China, and taught English there one summer at a summer camp full of children. I went to some of the kids houses for dinner. And all of the parents that I saw interacted with their kids in pretty much the same fashion as we do. All of my friends from China, when they talked about kids, had pretty much the same conversations as the rest of us did (other than planning to save for the tax penalties if they had more than one). I'm just wondering what ancient tradition you're quoting that says it's ok to leave bleeding children in the street?

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发布者 pezz

My personal opinion is that those are fancy terms to say that most people are dirtbags, and won't get involved if they think no one with judge them for it. I think that in this case, it's especially heinous because it was a child, and it was a matter of just pulling her out of the street to try and save her life. It's not like someone could justify it by saying "I thought someone else was calling." IThey coul see no one was helping her.

Not necessarily. You don't know those people wouldn't have helped if they had good reason to believe they'd be the only one to see the child for quite a while.

发布者 MyTie

Right. So what exactly is the parallel being drawn in your post between this situation and Nazi Germany? Because you seem to be trying to imply that the average German had a choice to oppose the Nazis (A real choice, not a "Cake or Death" choice), as you seem also to suggest that any one of these bystanders could've put aside their superstition and helped the child. I really don't think that's a valid comparison.

People see horrible things happen to people and they don't do anything about it. How can you not see the validity of the comparison?

As for 'cake or death', I think that the choice is obvious.

Young Chinese toddler in China got ran over twice and no one helped her

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