Best Subtlety Rogue Talent Tree Builds - Midnight

For higher burst damage: Warning Signs → Planned Execution.
Can also trade off a bit of AoE for higher burst: Potent Powder → Dark Shadow.
If your groups need an enrage dispell: Iron Stomach → Shiv.

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Best Subtlety Rogue Delve Talent Build

Delves offer short fights and a lot of opportunities for restealths between enemies. This talent build focuses on burst damage and control. Airborne Irritant is taken for control, and as a last resort, gives the opportunity to use Blind as a ranged interrupt/control spell frequently. Applying Tricks of the Trade to your delve companion is still a potent strategy for survival.

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There are only a few adjustments you can make to delve content. The list below highlights some potential talent swaps.

If you need more burst damage: Potent Powder → Dark Shadow.
If you need more single target damage: Potent Powder → Gloomblade.
If you need an enrage dispell: Airborne Irritant → Shiv.

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Subtlety Rogue Leveling Builds

If you're searching for advice on both the best talents to pick while leveling and the optimal order in which to take them, our leveling tips page has got you covered. There, you will find information about different leveling talent builds, the recommended order in which to pick them, and information about your spec's rotation and cooldowns.

Subtlety Rogue Leveling Tips

Our Subtlety Rogue guides are always updated with the latest information from in-game experience, simulations, and logs. Make sure to check our changelog for this page by clicking on View Changelog in the Quick Facts column or on the book icon at the top of the page. If you are interested in more in-depth Subtlety Rogue guides for , make sure to browse the Navigation Bar at the top of the page, along with our list of Related Guides just beneath the Table of Contents.

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Comments

Comment by Neuroxic

Current itteration of simc nightly build for 8.0.1 seems to indicate SF/ES is better than NS/DS

Comment by Prophethood

I have qualms with Adaptation as being listed as the to-go option for your first row. As a rogue who wpvps quite a bit, you know all it takes is a sap to see if someone is running Adaptation and once it insta-procs you can go hard out on them with no worries of them trinketing anything.

On-use trinket is (usually) the go to option so you can trinket WHEN NEEDED. Sometimes it's better to sit in a long cc while you're planning your counter.

Just think: Sap/Poly/etc>Adaptation proc>insta-reapplication>no trinket option anymore. We're rogues, we can't live for very long on our own. It's use your cds extremely carefully and know what you're fighting, or die.

Comment by Loare

It would be really appreciated it if the rogue guides could add more detail regarding talent choices. If you look at other talent guides, they normally compare the talents to each other in a description below all three. They emphasize when to pick certain talents over others, rather than briefly describing them in a vacuum like it's done here.

For example, why would I want to pick Gloomblade in the first place? Are there high-armor targets / backstab restrictions I want to work around? Doesn't Find Weakness also have synergy with Enveloping Shadows? The guide would really benefit from some more depth.

Comment by TPPM

I don't know about Subtlety not being good for PvE, I play PvE solo and one of my favorite moves for Rogues is Shadow Dance, which only Subtlety have. As long as I can face mobs one-on-one.

Comment by PoppaPeanut

Imo it's better to get rid of Blind in favor of Recuperator and Graceful Guile. How often is one using blind in mythic/raids compared to needing more protection from AoE and some healing?

Comment by Saerireth

Dark Brew raid build is not complete on my screen (stops halfway down spec tree)

Comment by Aeryl

One small oversight is that the Subtlety Delve build takes So Tricky without actually having Tricks of the Trade.

Comment by ospon

Been wondering this since before 11.2, why does the Delve spec use the Hero talent "So Tricky" when the build doesn't use Tricks of the Trade ?

Comment by LongNosePointy

Why is Tricks of the trade noted as your "most valuable talent in delves" then not taken?

Comment by FORSAKENWARRIOR

So this spec is just 3 buttons now? Feels terrible. :(

Best Subtlety Rogue Talent Tree Builds - Midnight

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